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Cost me $4000 and was 7 years old...1561073826_Scan_20221124(6).jpg.0dd1b43a0f6cebb830f8da48b648ee56.jpg

No it is not an El Cameno  Candy. It's a Holden ute made in Australia in 1976.

Two years later and a colour change, rebuilt 350 chev and driveline.

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That picture is in the near center of the country and that's what happens when you run out of fuel. Next stop Cober Pedy.

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Somewhere out Bumbfuck Australia, same trip.

Two drivers, 10.000kms in two weeks. Sydney to Townsville across to Darwin, down to Port Augusta back up through Broken Hill and back to Connabarabran for a week of shooting and back down to Sydney.

Might go a bit of the way to understand my aggressive stance regarding Australia's need or ability to go full EV.

It may be great for the cities but I fear some of the places I've seen in my own country will simply never be seen again if it goes EV or nothing. 

 

 

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11 hours ago, danny_galaga said:

Most of those computer chips are made by American companies in China and Taiwan. How about you show some pride in YOUR country and do something about it. Where do you think the money is? Making chips, or making a handful of compressors for the domestic market?

I don't blame any country for wanting cheap energy, most of us do, and I do shop globally, INCLUDING CHINA...But if you want to talk hypocrisy, go look in the mirror Danny, Because I am not the one talking the doom and gloom end of civilization or the evils of fossil fuels, then look to those countries for a bargain.

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https://www.carexpert.com.au/car-news/peugeot-508-sportswagon-phev-coming-to-australia-first-half-of-2023

12 hours ago, Autosteve said:

Cost me $4000 and was 7 years old...1561073826_Scan_20221124(6).jpg.0dd1b43a0f6cebb830f8da48b648ee56.jpg

No it is not an El Cameno  Candy. It's a Holden ute made in Australia in 1976.

Two years later and a colour change, rebuilt 350 chev and driveline.

1560087829_Scan_20221124(4).jpg.b2f67b94fcb8acc47051ffb9012da280.jpg

That picture is in the near center of the country and that's what happens when you run out of fuel. Next stop Cober Pedy.

865190214_Scan_20221124(2).jpg.db4a8ccf9a96669ebd13aeaa6d87fcfa.jpg

Somewhere out Bumbfuck Australia, same trip.

Two drivers, 10.000kms in two weeks. Sydney to Townsville across to Darwin, down to Port Augusta back up through Broken Hill and back to Connabarabran for a week of shooting and back down to Sydney.

Might go a bit of the way to understand my aggressive stance regarding Australia's need or ability to go full EV.

It may be great for the cities but I fear some of the places I've seen in my own country will simply never be seen again if it goes EV or nothing. 

 

 

With the bogan renaissance we have been having lately, that ute will fetch a crazy amount of money 💰

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13 hours ago, danny_galaga said:

Most of those computer chips are made by American companies in China and Taiwan. How about you show some pride in YOUR country and do something about it. Where do you think the money is? Making chips, or making a handful of compressors for the domestic market?

Unfortunately corporations only see money. They want to sell their products to China’s 1.3 billion population  and China knows this so they restrict imports and force manufacturers to set up in China. Once that happens China floods the market and puts other companies that were hanging on out of business. Not the first time it’s happened, read about the tea wars. 

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13 hours ago, Autosteve said:

Case in point, you mentioned an EV towing a caravan earlier.

"I have to be in the Gold Coast in 24 hours from Sydney and I'm towing a 2 tonne trailer. I'm leaving in 1 hour".

You know there isn't an EV on the market today no matter how much I pay that can do that job but believe it or not, I did that exact same trip towing a 2 tonne trailer around 20 years ago in a 2nd hand, $4000, then 7 year old Holden.

Man, stop regurgitating things that aren't true!

Here's a list of vehicles listed with their towing capacity:

https://ev-database.org/#sort:path~type~order=.towweight~number~desc|range-slider-range:prev~next=0~1200|range-slider-acceleration:prev~next=2~23|range-slider-topspeed:prev~next=110~350|range-slider-battery:prev~next=10~200|range-slider-towweight:prev~next=0~2500|range-slider-fastcharge:prev~next=0~1500|paging:currentPage=0|paging:number=9

Assuming a Polestar 3, and a halving of the range capacity due to towing, here's a planned route with 4 stops, total of 1h 26 mins stopping.
https://abetterrouteplanner.com/?plan_uuid=4991121e-4950-4007-8989-bc973889a18c

So even if you assume your 7 year old Holden can get there without  stopping to refuel (extra large petrol tank mod?), going in an EV would at worst take an hour and a half longer than your car.

In case you don't want to click on links, here's a summary table of the planned route and stops

Waypoint Arrival SoC Depart SoC Cost Charge duration Distance Drive duration Arrival Departure Notes
Sydney, NSW 2000, Australia   90%     201 km 2 h 8 min   01:39 PM  
Karuah [Chargefox] 28% 51%   10 min 113 km 1 h 12 min 03:47 PM 03:57 PM  
Taree - HS008 [Evie] 15% 64%   22 min 166 km 1 h 39 min 05:10 PM 05:31 PM  
Macksville - HS009 [Evie] 10% 61%   22 min 158 km 1 h 41 min 07:11 PM 07:33 PM  
Tyndale - HS010 [Evie] 10% 78%   33 min 213 km 2 h 5 min 09:14 PM 09:47 PM  
Gold Coast, QLD 4217, Australia 10%       0 m   10:52 PM    
10 h 12 min     0 EUR 1 h 26 min 852 km 8 h 46 min      
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2 hours ago, Zzap said:

Man, stop regurgitating things that aren't true!

Here's a list of vehicles listed with their towing capacity:

https://ev-database.org/#sort:path~type~order=.towweight~number~desc|range-slider-range:prev~next=0~1200|range-slider-acceleration:prev~next=2~23|range-slider-topspeed:prev~next=110~350|range-slider-battery:prev~next=10~200|range-slider-towweight:prev~next=0~2500|range-slider-fastcharge:prev~next=0~1500|paging:currentPage=0|paging:number=9

Assuming a Polestar 3, and a halving of the range capacity due to towing, here's a planned route with 4 stops, total of 1h 26 mins stopping.
https://abetterrouteplanner.com/?plan_uuid=4991121e-4950-4007-8989-bc973889a18c

So even if you assume your 7 year old Holden can get there without  stopping to refuel (extra large petrol tank mod?), going in an EV would at worst take an hour and a half longer than your car.

In case you don't want to click on links, here's a summary table of the planned route and stops

Waypoint Arrival SoC Depart SoC Cost Charge duration Distance Drive duration Arrival Departure Notes
Sydney, NSW 2000, Australia   90%     201 km 2 h 8 min   01:39 PM  
Karuah [Chargefox] 28% 51%   10 min 113 km 1 h 12 min 03:47 PM 03:57 PM  
Taree - HS008 [Evie] 15% 64%   22 min 166 km 1 h 39 min 05:10 PM 05:31 PM  
Macksville - HS009 [Evie] 10% 61%   22 min 158 km 1 h 41 min 07:11 PM 07:33 PM  
Tyndale - HS010 [Evie] 10% 78%   33 min 213 km 2 h 5 min 09:14 PM 09:47 PM  
Gold Coast, QLD 4217, Australia 10%       0 m   10:52 PM    
10 h 12 min     0 EUR 1 h 26 min 852 km 8 h 46 min      

Ouch

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8 hours ago, Zzap said:

Waypoint Arrival SoC Depart SoC Cost Charge duration Distance Drive duration Arrival Departure Notes Sydney, NSW 2000, Australia   90%     201 km 2 h 8 min   01:39 PM   Karuah [Chargefox] 28% 51%   10 min 113 km 1 h 12 min 03:47 PM 03:57 PM   Taree - HS008 [Evie] 15% 64%   22 min 166 km 1 h 39 min 05:10 PM 05:31 PM   Macksville - HS009 [Evie] 10% 61%   22 min 158 km 1 h 41 min 07:11 PM 07:33 PM   Tyndale - HS010 [Evie] 10% 78%   33 min 213 km 2 h 5 min 09:14 PM 09:47 PM   Gold Coast, QLD 4217, Australia 10%       0 m   10:52 PM     10 h 12 min     0 EUR 1 h 26 min 852 km 8 h 46 min

Cool, sounds like an excellent trip. Think of all the great people you can meet all talking about there EVs and how good they are at every recharge point as we all have to stop at on our way up to Queensland. By the time we all get up there we'll all know each other so well, we'll be able to bunk up together.

6 stops to do 1000kms?. Haaa, no not for me...I hate vehicles that I can't get at least 600kms (highway) out of a tank.

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1 hour ago, Arcade King said:

If only you guys put as much effort into talking about Arcade and Pinball stuff......

I couldn't agree more...Let's start with you Oldhank, Post up a pic of what are you and your cats working on, perhaps we can help.

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