CandyLand Posted October 20, 2022 Share Posted October 20, 2022 Cooking batteries without consequences doesn't end well, and is a incredibly nasty dirty process ....But seeing that used batteries are going for like 2 - 10K without any kind of warranty over on E/Pay, a bucket a Lithium could potentially be a lucrative prospect for some,...Just saying Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
danny_galaga Posted October 20, 2022 Author Share Posted October 20, 2022 https://thedriven.io/2022/10/20/bp-unveils-its-first-fast-charging-station-in-australia/amp/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
danny_galaga Posted October 21, 2022 Author Share Posted October 21, 2022 Future of renewables in general, also includes some info about EVs https://www.bloomberg.com/graphics/2022-clean-energy-electric-cars-tipping-points/?leadSource=uverify wall Waiting with baited breath for Candylands next quote from an ex-Mobil geologist working for the Heartland Institute to 'prove' this incorrect 😃 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CandyLand Posted October 21, 2022 Share Posted October 21, 2022 Why would I do that?...My Cadillac is damn scary and can suck a little plastic EV right off the road. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
danny_galaga Posted October 21, 2022 Author Share Posted October 21, 2022 8 hours ago, CandyLand said: Why would I do that?...My Cadillac is damn scary and can suck a little plastic EV right off the road. You must have missed this: https://thedriven.io/2022/07/13/tesla-model-3-unmoved-after-being-sideswiped-by-fast-moving-fossil-fuel-ute/amp/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CandyLand Posted October 21, 2022 Share Posted October 21, 2022 (edited) You really think some random Tic toc vid is going to sell me on the fact your magical car is indestructible too?...Dude you just lost the bet. Edited October 21, 2022 by CandyLand Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Autosteve Posted October 21, 2022 Share Posted October 21, 2022 That ute has already been traveling the roads longer than that Tesla ever will. That ute can also be repaired by any smash repair shop "anywhere" in Australia using locally sourced parts for a fraction of the cost and time of imported Tesla parts. Looking at that video seems to also show no actual damage on the front of the ute as a result of the Tesla impact , didn't even seem to break the plastic bumper clips used on that model or the headlight, indicator where as the later Tesla photo clearly shows the door damaged. and most importantly, I would say that ute will live again as the price of those vehicles are actually increasing where as a Tesla looses value by the day or rather the more you use the batteries. The way the cock describes the whole crash needing "Teslacam" for insurance seems to indicate either the ute took off or he, the Telsa driver did not stop. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
danny_galaga Posted October 23, 2022 Author Share Posted October 23, 2022 This thread has now been officially sanctioned by hugs. Was lovely to meet you today Old Hank 😊 Pity I didn't give you much of a challenge on the pinball machines though 😄 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldhank Posted October 24, 2022 Share Posted October 24, 2022 14 hours ago, danny_galaga said: This thread has now been officially sanctioned by hugs. Was lovely to meet you today Old Hank 😊 Pity I didn't give you much of a challenge on the pinball machines though 😄 I held my own on the arcades somewhat not only did you get hugs you got to carry my pillow around lol 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
danny_galaga Posted October 24, 2022 Author Share Posted October 24, 2022 15 minutes ago, oldhank said: I held my own on the arcades somewhat not only did you get hugs you got to carry my pillow around lol You really oughta sew straps onto it 😃 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
danny_galaga Posted October 24, 2022 Author Share Posted October 24, 2022 https://thedriven.io/2022/10/23/nsw-backs-another-86-ev-fast-and-ultra-fast-charging-stations-some-with-up-to-15-bays/amp/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
danny_galaga Posted October 26, 2022 Author Share Posted October 26, 2022 Bad news for my bet https://www.drive.com.au/news/petrol-diesel-electric-car-price-parity/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CandyLand Posted October 26, 2022 Share Posted October 26, 2022 (edited) Ya, that sounds bad for you. Edited October 26, 2022 by CandyLand Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
danny_galaga Posted October 26, 2022 Author Share Posted October 26, 2022 Not so good news for diesel car owners either 😄 https://www.carexpert.com.au/car-news/racq-explains-record-diesel-prices-says-pump-prices-likely-to-climb Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Autosteve Posted October 26, 2022 Share Posted October 26, 2022 Yep that one is hurting me ATM. Only one diesel in the house and it's my farm vehicle I travel up and back in. $2.34 a liter I saw it for today at a servo selling E10 for $2.12. Saw it at my regular local discount servo for the same $2.34 but E10 for $1.64. That high diesel price is only just starting to hit transport costs and anyone with any idea realizes everything involving transport in Australia is moved by diesel including goods trains. Welcome to the brave new world. Good luck with those payrises keeping up with the cost of living. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
danny_galaga Posted October 28, 2022 Author Share Posted October 28, 2022 Better news for all those environmentalist, socialist coal mine supporters who are concerned about pollution. Strides towards better battery recycling https://www.economist.com/science-and-technology/2022/10/26/gigafactories-are-recycling-old-ev-batteries-into-new-ones?utm_content=article-link-5&etear=nl_today_5&utm_campaign=a.the-economist-today&utm_medium=email.internal-newsletter.np&utm_source=salesforce-marketing-cloud&utm_term=10/26/2022&utm_id=1367943 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CandyLand Posted October 28, 2022 Share Posted October 28, 2022 (edited) You forgot to mention the enviromental impact of mining of the material found in those batteries in the first place...Finite resources may I add, Do you what supply and demand does to a $40,000 battery?...Thats right it goes up...Curious why you made a decade long bet with some random workmate in the first place, From a scientific perspective odds are more favorable towards one of you just dying from colon cancer or heart attacks in that time frame. Edited October 28, 2022 by CandyLand Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
peely Posted October 28, 2022 Share Posted October 28, 2022 Many people think beyond their lifetime at the state of the planet when they cease to exist, especially true if you have children. Wanting to address an issue for them that will probably be the biggest challenge in the decades to come for humanity, is often a driver for change at an individual level, not purely about moi 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Autosteve Posted October 28, 2022 Share Posted October 28, 2022 2 hours ago, peely said: Many people think beyond their lifetime at the state of the planet when they cease to exist, especially true if you have children. Wanting to address an issue for them that will probably be the biggest challenge in the decades to come for humanity, is often a driver for change at an individual level, not purely about moi Yep, I agree to that theory but how is killing our own country's economy while supplying others far, far more forcing us to dig it up at a much higher rate than ever before actually addressing the problem?. Try finding the Australian annual consumption rate of coal in tonnes and compare that to the Chinese annual export tonnage of coal and I think you will be somewhat shocked. You want to really get the shits, add the Indian coal sales annually to the mix. Saving the planet by our actions are we?. Bullshit. If anything we are guilty of aiding and abetting to the problem however we as the people of the nation have very little say in what gets sold to who and how much for after all, we only get asked once every 3 years and questions like this don't get asked to vote on do they? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Big Easy Posted October 28, 2022 Share Posted October 28, 2022 1 hour ago, Autosteve said: Saving the planet by our actions are we?. Some of us are or at the very least trying to 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ryan555 Posted October 29, 2022 Share Posted October 29, 2022 Toyota slams electric-car extremism, say no motorists should be left behind. https://www.drive.com.au/news/toyota-takes-a-swipe-at-electric-car-extremists-says-no-motorists-should-be-left-behind/ 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
danny_galaga Posted October 31, 2022 Author Share Posted October 31, 2022 (edited) On 28/10/2022 at 7:25 PM, Autosteve said: Yep, I agree to that theory but how is killing our own country's economy while supplying others far, far more forcing us to dig it up at a much higher rate than ever before actually addressing the problem?. Try finding the Australian annual consumption rate of coal in tonnes and compare that to the Chinese annual export tonnage of coal and I think you will be somewhat shocked. You want to really get the shits, add the Indian coal sales annually to the mix. Saving the planet by our actions are we?. Bullshit. If anything we are guilty of aiding and abetting to the problem however we as the people of the nation have very little say in what gets sold to who and how much for after all, we only get asked once every 3 years and questions like this don't get asked to vote on do they? Um, you do know that people are voting on these very issues right? It might be why more and more people are finding the COALition a bit on the nose nowadays. Not that Labor has done much better. Interestingly, the Nationals seem more concerned than the Liberals* now. Probably Because they represent farmers, and smart farmers can see climate change may adversely effect them. *Candyland, because are Down Under, Liberal actually means the reverse (conservative) in Australia 😄 But parties do (slowly) respond to what voters are concerned about. More voters are now concerned about climate change, so parties are beginning to chase those votes. Add to Ryan's Link, my bet is in dire straits 😄 https://www.carsguide.com.au/car-news/think-electric-cars-will-rule-the-world-soon-not-so-fast-as-petrol-power-will-keep-motoring Edited October 31, 2022 by danny_galaga Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CandyLand Posted November 2, 2022 Share Posted November 2, 2022 I just looked into mining Lithium as just one of the materials needed for battery production and...OMG, that is the opposite of a green new world dude, Thats just a gross imposition on the the planet, production of just one 500kg battery is 70% dirtier that a traditional German car...Do the math, EVs will destroy the planet not save it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Autosteve Posted November 2, 2022 Share Posted November 2, 2022 Ow we love our lithium batteries here, we have the world's biggest battery, soon to be the 2nd biggest as another state orders one even bigger and it becomes the biggest. If you've ever seen a Tesla wall battery for a house you quickly understand there is no way known you can make a battery big enough to power a whole state of a couple of million people but don't let that spoil the story. Interestingly a couple of days ago a US company signed a deal to make a very large nuclear power station for the poles in Poland, (europe's coal mine and very similar to Australia with most of it's wealth coming from mining just like ours. It will begin to come on line in 2030 and then, Poland will start closing it's coal power stations. I think we would be smarter skipping the "renewables step" and doing exactly as the poles are doing going direct to nuclear and start right now. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CandyLand Posted November 2, 2022 Share Posted November 2, 2022 (edited) Aparently Australia however is one of the leaders in Lithium production, and for the short term that could be considered good for jobs I suppose...But long term environmental impact is most likely going to manifest itself initially as contaminated ground water/acid rain, not to mention the sourcing of the other materials needed for production, and electricity to even charge that battery, The fact Lithium is also used in Meth manufacturing under far less controlled situations is a subject unto itself given its social economic impact of large scale manufacturing, Here is a fun pic of some the acid and salt tanks of Chile...There is your future big/D. Edited November 2, 2022 by CandyLand Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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