danny_galaga Posted October 14, 2022 Author Share Posted October 14, 2022 11 hours ago, Autosteve said: Way overdue for the next ice-age but that is from the science of history. Hmmmm, I wonder why the next ice age is overdue 😉 I'm glad my arguments have pursueded you to look past politics and look only at science Steve 🙂 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
danny_galaga Posted October 14, 2022 Author Share Posted October 14, 2022 17 hours ago, CandyLand said: Well it could also be said if it wasn't for the NNOA falsifying data to scare leaders into the Paris accord, we might have faith in the science...But if you think about it it really doesn't make any sense, since co2 levels are actually 1300% less than what they once were...Geology man, the planet doesn't lie, or have an agenda...Look it up of you want. I might have helped Steve see some sense but i have a long way to go with you 😃 First, you must untangle politics from science. Give me quotes from Scientific American or Nature or National Geographic or The Economist. Not political rags like observer.com When was the last time CO2 levels were 1300% higher than now? Not when humans were around. There was also a time when the only gases on Earth's surface were all poisonous! So what? Are you saying because we once had an atmosphere of sulphuric acid it must therefore be ok to have that now? After all, it's only natural... If you'd read the article about SCIENCE I just mentioned, you would have read that the level of CO2 in the atmosphere has never been as high in the last 800000 years as now. We hadn't even fully evolved as humans yet. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
danny_galaga Posted October 14, 2022 Author Share Posted October 14, 2022 (edited) My boys Penn and Teller (NSFW) 2008 2019 Penn always had an open mind. He was distracted by his distrust of Al Gore in 2008. But that isn't science. Later he realised the core issue is climate change, not the politics that seems to surround it. Not being dogmatic. That's the core of how we've advanced. It's ok to change your mind. Science is changing your mind when you are presented with better evidence. Politics and religion is doubling down on your position when you are presented with better evidence. I'm trying to just show you science, you double down with politics. Edited October 14, 2022 by danny_galaga Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CandyLand Posted October 14, 2022 Share Posted October 14, 2022 (edited) What?...Politics?...What your saying doesn't even make sense, So let me understand..."800,000 years ago, before humans the climate was warmer"? That was attributed to what, dinosaur farts?...You don't supose that could possibly be related to cosmic impacts, solar flares, the increased wobble of the planet, Volcanic activities, forest fires,?...Oh wait, those things are not included as part of the models so how could we know, the science is INCOMPLETE...You wanted an opinion on the future of cars, Well I won't be parking any fire hazzard EV in my garage anytime soon. Edited October 14, 2022 by CandyLand Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CandyLand Posted October 15, 2022 Share Posted October 15, 2022 But since you are in such denial...How about Forbes?...You do remember climategate right? Check it out #3...DEPENDANT ON DELIBERATE MANIPULATION OF FACTS AND DATA. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CandyLand Posted October 15, 2022 Share Posted October 15, 2022 But this is your thread Big/D...Hugs and smooches 😘. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
danny_galaga Posted October 15, 2022 Author Share Posted October 15, 2022 (edited) Again you post political articles. Did you actually read the article about, you know, the subject we are sidelined on right now? the last time CO2 levels in our atmosphere were higher was 800000 years ago . Maybe longer, the article is about getting a deeper core sample. In the science community there is no doubt that humans are causing climate change. Scientists who do research agree. Scientists who are employed by lobby groups typically don't do research, they just throw shade on the hard work of actual working scientists. I guess you can paraphrase that old saying - those that can't, teach into 'scientists who can't, lobby' 😃 Also, last I heard, gas is also quite flammable. You know, that stuff in your car? Edited October 15, 2022 by danny_galaga Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
danny_galaga Posted October 15, 2022 Author Share Posted October 15, 2022 (edited) Back to the bet 🙂 https://www.gizmodo.com.au/2022/10/youtuber-warped-perception-goes-2575-km-in-his-tesla-without-plugging-in/ He only got 24mpg doing it, and drove everyone nuts, but I guess someone's got to do the wacky experiments 😂 Edited October 15, 2022 by danny_galaga Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldhank Posted October 15, 2022 Share Posted October 15, 2022 2 hours ago, danny_galaga said: Back to the bet 🙂 https://www.gizmodo.com.au/2022/10/youtuber-warped-perception-goes-2575-km-in-his-tesla-without-plugging-in/ He only got 24mpg doing it, and drove everyone nuts, but I guess someone's got to do the wacky experiments 😂 He does good stuff I like the stuff he did with briggs and stratton flatheads 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
danny_galaga Posted October 15, 2022 Author Share Posted October 15, 2022 https://www.carsguide.com.au/car-news/step-aside-tesla-the-one-thing-chinese-electric-cars-do-better-than-anyone-elses-opinion Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Autosteve Posted October 15, 2022 Share Posted October 15, 2022 9 hours ago, danny_galaga said: I'm glad my arguments have pursueded you to look past politics and look only at science Steve LOL. I can tell you far more people have already died from bushfires in this country than are ever likely to die from global change in this country. Image how safe fire wise and water secure we could make this country with just 1 100th of the cash we spend just last year on global change. Why is it the biggest killer of Australians weather wise is fires, (as it is right now, not in 30 years time, maybe), is staffed mainly by unpaid volunteers where as anything to do with global change are all high paid office jobs?. For us as Australians, water in this country is a far greater and immediate problem and we have had two centuries of data showing exactly that and to date no government has acted on this existing "climate problem", What exactly are you expecting a government of this country to have regarding global change?. Regarding the fires and the best prevention, please don't hit me with the "if there was no global warming we wouldn't have bush fires". That return statement just demonstrates ignorance on the subject of fire in Australia. I don't really have time to worry about other countries potential future hypothetical problems, I'm too worried about my own countries climate as it has been and ignored since modern man come here. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
danny_galaga Posted October 15, 2022 Author Share Posted October 15, 2022 Sigh. You are still agreeing with me Steve without knowing it. Do you think there might be more fires, or less, with increasingly hotter conditions? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CandyLand Posted October 17, 2022 Share Posted October 17, 2022 (edited) *EDIT*...I laughed so hard I may have just peed my pants...I said I would stay out this...SORRY...*Still laughing*...Sorry again...LOL...Sorry... Edited October 17, 2022 by CandyLand 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CandyLand Posted October 17, 2022 Share Posted October 17, 2022 (edited) OMG...Still laughing...So sorry, really...(Giggle)...SNORT! Edited October 17, 2022 by CandyLand Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
danny_galaga Posted October 19, 2022 Author Share Posted October 19, 2022 Not good news for my bet: https://www.forexlive.com/news/the-automotive-industry-is-facing-something-of-a-reckoning-20221017/amp/ Not good news in particular for autonomous vehicles. That affects all vehicles of course, not just electric (some mines operate self driving dump trucks now) https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.forbes.com/sites/johnkoetsier/2022/10/17/self-driving-startups-have-lost-40-billion-in-stock-market-valuation-in-2-years/amp/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CandyLand Posted October 19, 2022 Share Posted October 19, 2022 The reason your seeing that all of a sudden, is probably that Nicola truck scandal, It was all a lie the technology diddnt exist...The dude was just sentenced for a couple fraud charges and wire fraud...Around 60 years worth. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Autosteve Posted October 19, 2022 Share Posted October 19, 2022 I heard an interesting story by a motor writer the other day regarding Tesla and just how good they are for a carbon neutral outcome which is why most would be buying them I would imagine. If you buy one brand new, the CO2 involved in just the production of the vehicle itself is only offset after you put over 70,000kms on that vehicle. I found that rather interesting considering most government vehicles have around 30,000kms on them before they head to the auctions and are replaced with another new vehicle. Looks to me if you are indeed interested in a carbon neutral outcome, do the world a favour and buy a second hand vehicle irrespective of it's power plant and keep it on the road for as long as you can. The motor writers name is Josh Dowling if you want to hear the podcast yourself. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldhank Posted October 19, 2022 Share Posted October 19, 2022 3 minutes ago, Autosteve said: I heard an interesting story by a motor writer the other day regarding Tesla and just how good they are for a carbon neutral outcome which is why most would be buying them I would imagine. If you buy one brand new, the CO2 involved in just the production of the vehicle itself is only offset after you put over 70,000kms on that vehicle. I found that rather interesting considering most government vehicles have around 30,000kms on them before they head to the auctions and are replaced with another new vehicle. Looks to me if you are indeed interested in a carbon neutral outcome, do the world a favour and buy a second hand vehicle irrespective of it's power plant and keep it on the road for as long as you can. The motor writers name is Josh Dowling if you want to hear the podcast yourself. Or just walk lol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CandyLand Posted October 19, 2022 Share Posted October 19, 2022 (edited) https://youtu.be/6J4hjqcOGTE Here's a link to that Nicola thing. Edited October 19, 2022 by CandyLand 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
danny_galaga Posted October 19, 2022 Author Share Posted October 19, 2022 2 hours ago, Autosteve said: I heard an interesting story by a motor writer the other day regarding Tesla and just how good they are for a carbon neutral outcome which is why most would be buying them I would imagine. If you buy one brand new, the CO2 involved in just the production of the vehicle itself is only offset after you put over 70,000kms on that vehicle. I found that rather interesting considering most government vehicles have around 30,000kms on them before they head to the auctions and are replaced with another new vehicle. Looks to me if you are indeed interested in a carbon neutral outcome, do the world a favour and buy a second hand vehicle irrespective of it's power plant and keep it on the road for as long as you can. The motor writers name is Josh Dowling if you want to hear the podcast yourself. 70,000 of pretty good. Someone use buying that second hand car remember. Remember also that a car that is burning petrol can NEVER be carbon neutral. Unless you don't run it of course 😃 More bad news for my bet https://www.drive.com.au/news/stellantis-ceo-petrol-diesel-ban-social-problems/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Autosteve Posted October 19, 2022 Share Posted October 19, 2022 Well Danny that is the problem, no products made are ever carbon neutral by virtue of it's original manufacture. Making short lived EVs un-mantainable means you need to replace the whole product more often doesn't it? And what exactly do you do with that 2nd hand EV when it's batteries, like all batteries no longer do the job they were made to do, hold a charge?. What do you do with your old mobile phones?. It becomes rubbish as no one else wants it either after all, it is now a useless product no longer fit for purpose. That 70.000kms by the way offsets only the fuel used to travel 70.000kms in a conventional powered vehicle, not the energy it uses itself doing the 70,000kms nor does it take into consideration the production of the raw products from mining all the way to you taking delivery of it, that is JUST it's manufacturing in the Tesla plant as it would be for any vehicle no matter what form of propulsion it uses. Making new vehicles of any kind is a very heavy energy intense process and that is why we should be making longer living vehicles and certainly not short lived, throw aways basically designed for only one human's use. No wonder the guy has money to fund rocketry projects. I don't see the boss of GM or Ford able to do that. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
peely Posted October 19, 2022 Share Posted October 19, 2022 10 hours ago, Autosteve said: Well Danny that is the problem, no products made are ever carbon neutral by virtue of it's original manufacture. Making short lived EVs un-mantainable means you need to replace the whole product more often doesn't it? And what exactly do you do with that 2nd hand EV when it's batteries, like all batteries no longer do the job they were made to do, hold a charge?. What do you do with your old mobile phones?. It becomes rubbish as no one else wants it either after all, it is now a useless product no longer fit for purpose. That 70.000kms by the way offsets only the fuel used to travel 70.000kms in a conventional powered vehicle, not the energy it uses itself doing the 70,000kms nor does it take into consideration the production of the raw products from mining all the way to you taking delivery of it, that is JUST it's manufacturing in the Tesla plant as it would be for any vehicle no matter what form of propulsion it uses. Making new vehicles of any kind is a very heavy energy intense process and that is why we should be making longer living vehicles and certainly not short lived, throw aways basically designed for only one human's use. No wonder the guy has money to fund rocketry projects. I don't see the boss of GM or Ford able to do that. Not sure, these guys Recycling | Northvolt recycle 95% of the battery. Early days and cutting edge but the contents of battery used in a full circle is where its headed 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CandyLand Posted October 19, 2022 Share Posted October 19, 2022 (edited) You almost had me excited as the hype seemed promising...However, they got awfully quiet on the details of the dark dirty secret, Not to mention that it is also associated with the manufacturing of Meth. Edited October 20, 2022 by CandyLand Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
peely Posted October 20, 2022 Share Posted October 20, 2022 Not sure if you read what you've quoted, but all they're doing is calling out that how they handle chemicals which are prohibited or to be avoided and the compliance around that, no doubt that are required in the process of breaking down the batteries into a recyclable product. Yes, there will be issues around how this is stored and/or recycled but compared to the CO2 options with internal combustion and the bigger risk around climate change, you have to start somewhere... Recycling batteries in some form will be a focus in the years to come as there's lots of money to be saved in doing so. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CandyLand Posted October 20, 2022 Share Posted October 20, 2022 (edited) They are talking about NOT talking about the large quantities of unspecified hazardous chemicals, Or the chain of command or even a MSDS...Totally out of character with the rest of the site, They are aparently hiding something pretty nasty, and probably already banned in mining and plating operations...Cyanide perhaps? Edited October 20, 2022 by CandyLand Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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