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Dug through the cabinet a bit last night trying to put together a list of issues and faults. The most obvious game breaking thing is that the trough kickout to the shooter lane doesn't fire. Grounding the coil to the ground braid doesn't fire it. Grounding a coil that works doesn't fire it either, but they activate fine when the CPU activates them. Hmmmm... Ground braid is broken in the back of the cab, in the backbox, etc. No continuity between the braid and the side rails. I should check that all thoroughly, and the earth pin on the plug too while I'm at it.

 

Other stuff

  • left ramp score switch wire broken
  • left ramp lamp wire broken
  • ten points switch top right missing
  • refl(e)x switch doesn't register
  • speakers disconnected in the bottom of the cabinet, not the backbox and working
  • knocker disconnected in bottom of cabinet
  • line cord goes through slot cut into cab (EM style) instead of through the hole made for such things

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Ok, had a chance to have a proper look at the machine... There's a bit of corrosion about:

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Bit of gunge to get off at some stage:

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I should take proper pictures of the playfield at some point... But in the first instance I wanted to have a look at why the shooter lane kicker didn't. Checked voltage at the coil, continuity to the aux driver, voltage there, etc all good. Then had a good look at the MPU board. Q25 on the right is the transistor for the shooter lane kickout...

 

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Well that looks well ****ed:

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It's obviously been changed before too:

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So I'll need to do more digging as to what cause it to blow - I'm wondering if there might eb a short like @Dedrok had here: https://www.aussiearcade.com/showthread.php/99927-Cyclone-kick-out-hole-issue?p=1254300#post1254300

 

More photos here: https://photos.app.goo.gl/8w7rXnenSvEKpLZg7

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Dr Dude and his Excellent Ray

 

What does Q25 drive on the Aux board.

It could be the shared flashers sockets shorting.

I’d have to check the manual.

 

It could be a short, a bad diode or just time.

 

I’ve seen a while drive train blow just from searching for a ball that didn’t roll onto the kicker.

 

Keep checking the whole way through.

 

 

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What does Q25 drive on the Aux board.

It could be the shared flashers sockets shorting.

 

Good point, I hadn't thought about the C side. I'll check through both.

 

For reference here's the solenoid table:

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So 2A is the trough kickout and 2C is the Gab flasher in the mixer assembly which might all be disconnected as there's a molex under the playfield. Q33 has also been swapped out which could've been the Heart flasher in the mixer too. As has U20 which is involved with both Q25 and Q33.

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Good point, I hadn't thought about the C side. I'll check through both.

 

For reference here's the solenoid table:

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So 2A is the trough kickout and 2C is the Gab flasher in the mixer assembly which might all be disconnected as there's a molex under the playfield. Q33 has also been swapped out which could've been the Heart flasher in the mixer too. As has U20 which is involved with both Q25 and Q33.

 

For instance Q24 on Cyclone was good, only Q7 on the Aux board had blown.

So assuming Q25 would be associated with either Q5,6,8? On Aux board. Check the tip36c on the Aux board too

 

 

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Andrew I have TIP102 here if your chasing some quickly.

 

You can replace the BDX53C with the 2N6045, 2N6045G, 2N6532, 2SD1196, 2SD1830, BD649, BD651, BD901, BDT63B, BDT63C, BDT65B, BDT65C, BDW42, BDW42G, BDW43, BDW73C, BDW73D, BDW93C, BDW93CF, BDX33C, BDX33CG, BDX33D, BDX53CG, MJF6388, MJF6388G, TIP102, TIP102G, TIP132, TIP132G or TIP142T

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Dr Dude and his Excellent Ray

 

Ok looks like 2A and 2C don’t go through 50v or have an aux driver.

They just switch

Still, check the D2 and associated large diodes

 

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Andrew I have TIP102 here if your chasing some quickly.

 

You can replace the BDX53C with the 2N6045, 2N6045G, 2N6532, 2SD1196, 2SD1830, BD649, BD651, BD901, BDT63B, BDT63C, BDT65B, BDT65C, BDW42, BDW42G, BDW43, BDW73C, BDW73D, BDW93C, BDW93CF, BDX33C, BDX33CG, BDX33D, BDX53CG, MJF6388, MJF6388G, TIP102, TIP102G, TIP132, TIP132G or TIP142T

 

Thanks, but I'm 900km from you at the moment as is the machine... I have some TIP102s and 2N4401s here though.

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I think @Dedrok is taking you through the more logical faults but don't overlook the stupidly simple as well. The diode on the coil for a short or damage to the coil winding itself including the coil winding shorted to the coil bracket and it being grounded. I had the last one on a WCS 94 on a knocker and it was an arse to find. Also worthy of checking, the wiring to the coil around the lower playfield area like wires crushed together in wire saddles as well as the all to common playfield prop punched through the harness.

Good luck. I look forward to hearing what you find.

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Dr Dude and his Excellent Ray

 

I think @Dedrok is taking you through the more logical faults but don't overlook the stupidly simple as well. The diode on the coil for a short or damage to the coil winding itself including the coil winding shorted to the coil bracket and it being grounded. I had the last one on a WCS 94 on a knocker and it was an arse to find. Also worthy of checking, the wiring to the coil around the lower playfield area like wires crushed together in wire saddles as well as the all to common playfield prop punched through the harness.

Good luck. I look forward to hearing what you find.

 

Diodes are on the board not the coils.

 

Plus he needs to check, confirm, change what is blown on boards first, then check for all the shorts, hence the post from the cyclone fix.

 

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Diodes are on the board not the coils.

 

Plus he needs to check, confirm, change what is blown on boards first, then check for all the shorts, hence the post from the cyclone fix.

 

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Sorry mate. I should have worded that more like...

I think @Dedrok is taking you through the more logical faults. Don't overlook the stupidly simple causes that can create these faults.

 

Totally different meaning but that was more in line with what I meant to say.:redface

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  • left ramp score switch wire broken
  • left ramp lamp wire broken
  • ten points switch top right missing
  • refl(e)x switch doesn't register
  • speakers disconnected in the bottom of the cabinet, not the backbox and working
  • knocker disconnected in bottom of cabinet
  • line cord goes through slot cut into cab (EM style) instead of through the hole made for such things
  • ground braid should connect throughout - including to the back plate int hte backbox
  • shooterlane kickout - Q25 blown
  • insert centre flasher incorrectly wired to insert GI connector
  • flipper rebuild needed, cone springs, capacitor leads broken, etc

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  • left ramp score switch wire broken
  • left ramp lamp wire broken
  • ten points switch top right missing
  • refl(e)x switch doesn't register
  • speakers disconnected in the bottom of the cabinet, not the backbox and working
  • knocker disconnected in bottom of cabinet
  • line cord goes through slot cut into cab (EM style) instead of through the hole made for such things
  • ground braid should connect throughout - including to the back plate int hte backbox
  • shooterlane kickout - Q25 blown
  • insert centre flasher incorrectly wired to insert GI connector
  • flipper rebuild needed, cone springs, capacitor leads broken, etc

 

Cool.

So all the usual stuff then.

Have fun.

 

 

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WOW! your going to be busy for a while.

 

Nah. There's a few things I missed too...

 

- - - Updated - - -

 

  • left ramp score switch wire broken
  • left ramp lamp wire broken
  • ten points switch top right missing
  • refl(e)x switch doesn't register
  • speakers disconnected in the bottom of the cabinet, not the back box and working
  • knocker disconnected in bottom of cabinet
  • line cord goes through slot cut into cab (EM style) instead of through the hole made for such things
  • ground braid should connect throughout - including to the back plate in the back box
  • shooter lane kick out - Q25 blown
  • insert centre flasher incorrectly wired to insert GI connector
  • flipper rebuild needed, cone springs, capacitor leads broken, etc
  • left display, missing bottom right segment all digits
  • both displays, missing period/comma from right most 3 digits.

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Sorry mate. I should have worded that more like...

I think @Dedrok is taking you through the more logical faults. Don't overlook the stupidly simple causes that can create these faults.

 

Totally different meaning but that was more in line with what I meant to say.:redface

 

Looking at the actual mech, it's so gummed up it barely moves, even by hand it's really stiff. There's oil and gunk dripping otu of the sleeve.

 

Could that have caused the transistor to blow?

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Looking at the actual mech, it's so gummed up it barely moves, even by hand it's really stiff. There's oil and gunk dripping otu of the sleeve.

 

Could that have caused the transistor to blow?

 

I'd doubt it. The coil is feed a set pulse of power, not a continuous stream till it pulls in. Looking at that transistor with a big crack in it, that indicates a high current draw like a dead short that should have blown the fuse but didn't quickly enough for some reason. If there are flash bulbs involved look for shorts in the sockets. If the flash bulb is upright, the filament can break clean off and fall down inside the bulb shorting the filament posts. This actually happens and is often the cause of the unexplained blown fuse.

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If the kicker mech doesn’t kick then it could fire continuously trying to kick the ball out.

Recommend cleaning all mechs regardless.

But yes look for flashers shorting and the kicker coil shorting.

 

 

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Got around to doing a little more work on this. Pulled the MPU, tested all the transistors and found Q25 shorted (trough kickout/mixer gab flasher so no surprises). Its predriver tested ok for now. Weirdly, Q29 (predriver for Q33 outhole/Mixer flasher) tested as a short. Replaced the shorted transitors, MPU back in, all good. Pulled the aux driver board too, nothing seemed arwy there. All diodes, transistors, fuses, etc ok.

 

I left the playfield flashers disconnected from the interconnect board and played a game or two ok. Reconnected the playfield flashers to the interconnect board and then as some point:

a) I heard a coil fire that shouldn't have

b) trough kickout locked on

 

So I assume there's a short somewhere in the flashers harness? Would putting a diode on the trough kickout coil help protect Q25 from whatever wiring boo boo there is?

 

Any guesses on why Q29 was reading shorted but seemed to work ok?

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Pinpoint the flasher and remove it. Once it’s out of the equation then go further. You’ll need to check the Transistors again first.

 

At a guess without looking at schematics, Q29 drives the flasher side and Q33 runs the sol side

 

 

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Couple of little updates on this... One, there was this interesting interaction between the Big Shot crank and a blub socket: https://www.instagram.com/p/CAKjeYNDqOM/

 

Slowly working on it from time to time... Stripped off all the extra non-factory mylar:

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Will have to start cleaning stuff properly soon... Gotta deal with the mini playfield and start making a list of replacement parts too...

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