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I worked as a bouncer at a Serviceman's Club in Sydney's West in the 90's while I was at Uni. There was an Asian guy there who owned an import-export business locally (totally legit as far as I ever knew) who gambled a LOT on the pokies. He was a really nice guy and was in 2 or 3 nights a week to play. I have seen him with 1800 credits up on the $1 machine and just piss the whole lot away in no time at all. No problem for him as he had plenty of cash, but I was getting my head punched for $19 an hour! That $1800 would have meant quite a bit to me, but it was not much to him. I sometimes wonder if he has anything left now or whether the pokies got the lot in the end :unsure

 

For me they are a blight on society. All the "bad pub's" have pokies as the main attraction while the better ones have them hidden away somewhat so that they do not interfere with the vibe of the place. Pokies kill off the soul of a good hotel.

 

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Re the 87% return rule. People don't think of this the right way. Let's (incorrectly) assume that it applies fully to the $100 I am about to put in a mythical machine. After $100 worth of play I have $87 returned in "winnings". If I collect that money I COULD say that I have had some entertainment and that it cost me only $13. Sadly, most gamblers don't collect, that play again. So when I play the $87 this time I only "win" $75.69 back, and again and again we go on until I have lost the lot. Spin up enough times and sooner or later the 87% of 87% of 87%......will get all of your money. It has to. Long term playing loses you your dough, simple.

 

There are people who make a living from gambling on cards, horses, footy etc, however the difference is that they are in a position to moderate their losses and increase their chances of winning buy skilful play and research into their bets. Pokies off no such input, they are pure chance with a 13% take for the house factored in. Let's be realistic here, if there was any chance that the house was NOT going to profit from installing pokies would they have them there? Hell no!

 

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Asian guy was a drug dealer or from vandelay industries

 

Nope, I knew of his business. Pretty sure he just worked hard for his cash. I hope he has something for all that work, as I said he was a nice bloke.

 

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Asian guy was a drug dealer or from vandelay industries

 

Google now tells me that was joke :)

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G’day ,

My family has run pubs for three generations, and still do. We’ve been offered pokies a number of times over the years but always knocked them back. We do this as we see them for what they are, machines programmed to make profit with no luck factor involved, that are aimed predominantly at pensioners, desperate people and addicts .. and conscience doesn’t allow us to treat our beloved customers this way.

They will make profit, but can you sleep at night being the place that took an addicts last few dollars that would’ve gone towards food for his kids that night? Up to you mate

 

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At some point in time one has to accept responsibility for their own actions and only then can one be helped. I know this is difficult and these issues are not just confined to gambling addictions.

 

Unfortunately many addicts have innocent families that have no choice in what the addict parent blows on gambling

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G’day ,

My family has run pubs for three generations, and still do. We’ve been offered pokies a number of times over the years but always knocked them back. We do this as we see them for what they are, machines programmed to make profit with no luck factor involved, that are aimed predominantly at pensioners, desperate people and addicts .. and conscience doesn’t allow us to treat our beloved customers this way.

They will make profit, but can you sleep at night being the place that took an addicts last few dollars that would’ve gone towards food for his kids that night? Up to you mate

 

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Unfortunately many addicts have innocent families that have no choice in what the addict parent blows on gambling

 

Good on your family! :)

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What's the moral position on pokies around here?

 

So what are the regulations around skill testers? .... not as extensive as pokies I'm sure.

 

I have always wondered this myself. The fact that you can drop $2 into a skill tester and ONLY be rewarded when the operator's percentage needs to be met just seems like theft to me. I imagine it is only because the industry is so small that it escapes tighter regulation.

 

At least other machines have some modicum of skill involved that can swing the outcome your way. Even coin pushers can be played to your advantage if you know what you're doing. Skill testers, not so much.

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The only thing Money and Morality have in common is they both begin with M.

 

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Johns-Arcade.

 

But quite often they go hand in hand

 

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Ironically pinball machines were pokies before pokies were pokies...

 

Bingo :)

 

 

Always gamble what you are prepared to lose

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I have played slots all my life & have many real life experiences to share.

 

In the real world It actually doesn't matter to a compulsive gambler whether its slots, scratches, TAB, bingo tickets, lotto, the difference being the speed of the result.

 

I know there was proposal of player limits, bet limits etc a few years ago, if you could set these in place like video slots dot com have you could be onto a winner for everyone.

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Its not illegal ! your losing out on big $ for pinball machines. People make their own choices; right or wrong its not your concern ! if they don't spend it at your pub they will just be drinking and playing them across the road. JMHO
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My local venue is licensed for around 20 machines. I can tell you that by law that they donate 160K a year to local outreach centres for gambling addiction. In saying that the turnover or profit they make from the community is in the the millions. In case your wondering. Sited poker machines in NSW cant be placed within 400m of a school.
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I can tell you that by law that they donate 160K a year to local outreach centres for gambling addiction. In saying that the turnover or profit they make from the community is in the the millions. In case your wondering.

 

Yes. Much the same as using a fraction of a percent of tobacco excise to fund cancer research. "Hey, by donating all this money, we have reduced the number of cancer cases in Australia by 0.5%." Never mind that most of those cancer cases are not related to smoking and that, if there weren't any tobacco consumption, there'd be at least 15% fewer cancer case to being with.

 

The hypocrisy of it all beggars belief…

 

Michi.

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In a roundabout way they killed Williams Pinball Division.

Williams found they could make a lot more profit concentrating on making Pokies instead of Pinball machines.

So in reality every Williams/Bally pinball fan should hate them. :)

 

As they say, Money is the root of evil... rings true every day.

 

...while "skill" testers groom kids to become good pokie addicts... <sigh>

 

And those stupid chocolate/lolly pusher machines

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I can desensitize any pokie addict with a day or two of playing my home built electronic pokie. It doesn't take money & it doesn't payout money. The best you win are more free games. After a winning thousands of games that you can't cash in or collect it starts to teach the addict player it's pointless to play as there is no reward.

 

Sorry to quote your old post, but i know at least two women who play pokies on their phone on free spin all day every day when they are not playing pokies for real. Couldn't think of anything worse myself, but play money is the same thing.

 

Also one of the most disliked things i have in my social world. i won't put a cent in one since i learnt in my twenties that it was a calculated robbery.

These, tobacco, alcohol,cigarettes and Storage sheds are built to prey on the poor and working class. Designed to keep them there.

I don't have many 'things' but pokies and storage sheds are two.

 

Happy to sit with a pokie playing ex and play the horses, at least there was a chance in theory of winning by skill. She went to the pokie room i'd walk to the exit.

 

I'll frequent pubs that take a moral stand against them and choose not to install or even not install because of legal reasons. They offend me.

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It will kill the culture of the pub.. It will attract a different demographic too.

 

I avoid pokie pubs as much as possible. Stay true to you clientele, they are there because the pokie machines aren't..

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pokies are a legal way of the government getting your money, as are cigarettes and alcohol, designed to get you hooked, and none are good for you.

what's this thread doing in the Pinball section? shouldn't it be under General Chat?

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pokies are a legal way of the government getting your money, as are cigarettes and alcohol, designed to get you hooked, and none are good for you.

what's this thread doing in the Pinball section? shouldn't it be under General Chat?

 

I guess the pipedream is that pokies and "skill testers" all get Banned, thrown over the wharf for the damage they do.... and replaced with entertainment and skill based Pinball machines!! :D

 

But of course that isn't in the best interests of the government collecting revenue and keeping people addicted, or keeping the negative and money/greed perpetuated.... so yeah, stuck with the crap. "Must capitalise!".

 

Having Morality is something that is not really in any way essential these days for business, greed, or making money. More like things are set up so that "morality" is more of a liability. Greed is just one of many big problems these days. Just look at the climate, due to greed...

 

The question is, why does the government promote, or encourage, things that are clearly "bad for you" ? .... A return to the days where Pinball was in Public for Family Entertainment, and Gambling was restricted to Casinos. Bring it On!

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Actually, if Pokies were outlawed Australia wide the government both state & federal would hike up your GST, Fuel tax, Income Tax & stamp duty just to compensate them for the lost revenue they've enjoyed for decades. So if people want to play them, their paying them the taxes & your not. So it's Win Win for those that don't play them.
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Actually, if Pokies were outlawed Australia wide the government both state & federal would hike up your GST, Fuel tax, Income Tax & stamp duty just to compensate them for the lost revenue they've enjoyed for decades. So if people want to play them, their paying them the taxes & your not. So it's Win Win for those that don't play them.

 

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