hotty Posted April 16, 2019 Share Posted April 16, 2019 Are people still talking about Willy wonka? Surely there’s a new title being announced in a week or two to looking forward too. :lol I think it's King Kong Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pinball god Posted April 16, 2019 Share Posted April 16, 2019 I think it's King Kong You and your kk. BTW if the thread is closed until game delivery, when approx is that? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wotto Posted April 16, 2019 Share Posted April 16, 2019 BTW if the thread is closed until game delivery, when approx is that? Oh no..... to answer that will open a whole new can of worms . Lol lol lol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sleazius Posted April 16, 2019 Share Posted April 16, 2019 JJP claims 60 days till shipping starts.... (flame suit on) 😂 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ballypinball Posted April 16, 2019 Share Posted April 16, 2019 We have ours booked to fly, so should have it soon After paying CGC over a million Dollars today I feel Poor? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shock_And_Awe Posted April 16, 2019 Share Posted April 16, 2019 I was just reading through the features for the models and it appears that the only gameplay difference between the SE and the CE is the ball lock?? Everything else is just cosmetics for an extra $7500. Surely that can't be right?? It just blows me away to see pinballs now for sale at $20,000. Also a limited edition pinball with 5000 units! Seriously?? The world has gone crazy! I'm also surprised to see the massive interest in a theme that appears to be more targeted towards a 6 year old girl than an adult male. The artwork and theme of these games make it look like a kids toy and not something that anyone would put in a "man cave". There's definitely something for everyone with all of these new games that's for sure! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Falcon Posted April 16, 2019 Share Posted April 16, 2019 Sorry JJP But no pinball is worth over $15k! Time to speak with my wallet and hopefully others too will stop purchasing these crazy priced machines and make them realize that its maybe time to lower the prices. enough is enough out.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
radirgyman Posted April 16, 2019 Share Posted April 16, 2019 I think it's King Kong Hanging to see Jaws... Isn’t superman 77 or something to that tune coming out this year too? Don’t quote me on the year as I have no idea about superman stuff. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cejay Posted April 16, 2019 Share Posted April 16, 2019 Stern must be rubbing their hands together.. given JJP prices, Stern prices suddenly look cheap! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Koops Posted April 16, 2019 Author Share Posted April 16, 2019 Hanging to see Jaws... Isn’t superman 77 or something to that tune coming out this year too? Don’t quote me on the year as I have no idea about superman stuff. “Rumour” (can’t remember what podcast said It) was that the jaws license is STUPIDLY restrictive. You get the shark and the name, that’s it! Imagine a jaws pinball in which you don’t get the human characters fighting the shark in the 3rd act of the movie, no call outs. What would be the point? Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ballypinball Posted April 16, 2019 Share Posted April 16, 2019 Sorry JJP But no pinball is worth over $15k! Time to speak with my wallet and hopefully others too will stop purchasing these crazy priced machines and make them realize that its maybe time to lower the prices. enough is enough out.... Its got nothing to do with JJP its the Aussie Dollar if our dollar was the same the games would be the same, the Standard is $1,000 US cheaper than the previous model and the LE and CE are the same as Pirates was. In Europe its 17% VAT tax even worse, in the US these are selling like Hotcakes and even here, the largest number of games we have sold in the shortest Time. When our dollar gets stronger the prices will drop as well Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flynnyfalcon Posted April 16, 2019 Share Posted April 16, 2019 Sorry JJP But no pinball is worth over $15k! Time to speak with my wallet and hopefully others too will stop purchasing these crazy priced machines and make them realize that its maybe time to lower the prices. enough is enough out.... I’ve never owned a JJP, but I have played them all, they are definitely built to a higher spec and definitely feel premium. Given they are a boutique pin manufacturer (compared to Stern) can anyone suggest the extra cost to produce their games? Are they taking the piss, or are their profits per game possibly at a similar level to Stern? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flynnyfalcon Posted April 16, 2019 Share Posted April 16, 2019 Its got nothing to do with JJP its the Aussie Dollar if our dollar was the same the games would be the same, the Standard is $1,000 US cheaper than the previous model and the LE and CE are the same as Pirates was. In Europe its 17% VAT tax even worse, in the US these are selling like Hotcakes and even here, the largest number of games we have sold in the shortest Time. When our dollar gets stronger the prices will drop as well More so than the remakes? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GORGAR 1 Posted April 16, 2019 Share Posted April 16, 2019 JJP Willy Wonka Its got nothing to do with JJP its the Aussie Dollar if our dollar was the same the games would be the same, the Standard is $1,000 US cheaper than the previous model and the LE and CE are the same as Pirates was. In Europe its 17% VAT tax even worse, in the US these are selling like Hotcakes and even here, the largest number of games we have sold in the shortest Time. When our dollar gets stronger the prices will drop as well Sold More than WOZ in the shortest time? I can understand DI and Pirates both are shitty themes. Theme sure matters in this day and age. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ballypinball Posted April 16, 2019 Share Posted April 16, 2019 https://www.gotpinball.com/new-stern-pinballs at $7300 Stern take these prices here add $250 shipping that's in a full container, more for small numbers divide x .70 and add GST makes that $12,200 here - - - Updated - - - More so than the remakes? remakes cost more to ship due to the topper, cant fit 33 games in a container, more like 26 games - - - Updated - - - Sold More than WOZ in the shortest time? I can understand DI and Pirates both are shitty themes. Theme sure matters in this day and age. we weren't the Distributor to begin with on WOZ, I think Bumper had 70 Orders to begin with? Only AULE and Ruby Red we sold over several years Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Koops Posted April 16, 2019 Author Share Posted April 16, 2019 I’ve never owned a JJP, but I have played them all, they are definitely built to a higher spec and definitely feel premium. Given they are a boutique pin manufacturer (compared to Stern) can anyone suggest the extra cost to produce their games? Are they taking the piss, or are their profits per game possibly at a similar level to Stern? Would be interesting to see an iFixit style tear down and parts price estimate for a jjp vs stern. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RGR Posted April 16, 2019 Share Posted April 16, 2019 Wayne, any idea when Jack is coming out? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GORGAR 1 Posted April 16, 2019 Share Posted April 16, 2019 JJP Willy Wonka This has been a cool thread yeah it’s gone off topic now and again but it’s been very interesting and no arguing lol :) I’ve learnt alot good job all :) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ballypinball Posted April 16, 2019 Share Posted April 16, 2019 Would be interesting to see an iFixit style tear down and parts price estimate for a jjp vs stern. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk its not about Bill of Material Its over 50 Staff wages per week just to manage and design games both in Chicago, New Jersey & Florida at least one million dollars to design a game before Production so that's 3.6 million without production line staff costs my guess $4k US parts cost per game and even if they make 2,000 games a year that's $1800 in overheads per game plus Bill of Material, so we are at $5800 cost per game just to start with? People I know say $100k a week to run the Company so that's 5 Million so that's $2500 a game plus Bill Of material so $6500 plus min 40 hours per game labour and license fees etc I would say they might make 15-20% margin - - - Updated - - - Wayne, any idea when Jack is coming out? I will speak to Jack later in the week and will advise Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Administrators furballx Posted April 16, 2019 Administrators Share Posted April 16, 2019 Are people still talking about Willy wonka? Surely there’s a new title being announced in a week or two to looking forward too. :lol Yeah, Willy Wonka will come up roses once the next game comes out and people start hanging crap on that! :p Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ballypinball Posted April 16, 2019 Share Posted April 16, 2019 Here is looking forward to Thunderbirds 2 designed from Prison from Tredeu Designs Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lou Posted April 16, 2019 Share Posted April 16, 2019 usually when stern or jjp release a pin and the masses are interested in buying one i see a lot of posts on who's pulling the trigger on one , i don't see that here ! all i see is people trying to get their head around the price over the years i've bought over 30 new machines and just about every LE made and even i can't see 20k value - maybe you got a new buyers market that's not on this forum !, i hope jjp lasts but at a business point it's hard to see that happening Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sleazius Posted April 16, 2019 Share Posted April 16, 2019 They’ve never been the most efficient company have they? That operational burn on a niche business that size is pretty ridiculous to be honest. Especially in a country where most of your staff cost you next to nothing. No $100k assembly line workers over there. Even if your programmers, designers, and Jack cost you a million a year, that still leaves an awful lot of $20-$50k dudes/dudettes to run the business with. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lou Posted April 16, 2019 Share Posted April 16, 2019 They’ve never been the most efficient company have they? That operational burn on a niche business that size is pretty ridiculous to be honest. Especially in a country where most of your staff cost you next to nothing. No $100k assembly line workers over there. Even if your programmers, designers, and Jack cost you a million a year, that still leaves an awful lot of $20-$50k dudes/dudettes to run the business with. its all mexicans and Puerto Ricans at 10-12 bucks an hour just like stern Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Administrators furballx Posted April 16, 2019 Administrators Share Posted April 16, 2019 Here is looking forward to Thunderbirds 2 designed from Prison from Tredeu Designs That's both LOW and insensitive. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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