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      Angry Stern, Spike and the furture of Pinball

      I know Marks video was posted in the Star Wars thread however after watching it myself I was pretty impressed with explanation of the joke that is Spike and how "Less is More" truly is "Less is Much Less".



      Flame away fellahs but as far as I'm concerned these are not the commercial grade machines they once were and built more like toys.
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      He made very valid points, clear and concise, perfect!

      Replacement boards are fantastic - when they are $20 each, not $300!

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      Quote Originally Posted by Homepin View Post
      He made very valid points, clear and concise, perfect!

      Replacement boards are fantastic - when they are $20 each, not $300!
      I knew very little about Spike until Tony urged me to watch this video and quite frankly the unserviceability is scary, I won't bag SAM again!

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      Quote Originally Posted by Arcade King View Post
      I knew very little about Spike until Tony urged me to watch this video and quite frankly the unserviceability is scary.
      I only know details from my research and from numerous emails begging me to make replacement "node" boards. This won't be possible.

      These machines will start to be scrapped WAY faster than any other machines in history IMO.

      I said it elsewhere, unless Stern scrap SPIKE and get back to a serviceable machine, this could well spell the beginning of a very slow side for them.

      It could be that someone will make a complete replacement electronics for these machines - it could actually be cheaper to replace ALL the electronics than to mess about with a couple of blown node boards.

      There is a thread where a guy repairs a node board BUT that was only a single output FET - fair enough but anything more serious and it's new board time.

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      I think that video could be separated into a couple of parts.

      1.Spike itself. Advantages going into the future. Support of full colour animations, hd LCD screens etc.

      2.Other cost cutting measures. Removal of lock downs, cabinet changes etc.

      A modularised system makes sense from a manufacturing point of view. Surely it is easier for them to just use 2-3 screws for a board that powers 6-12 lights, and run a single cat5 cable back for power and control versus having to solder each individual light socket.

      The flip side being those cost saving now result in higher maintenance costs in the long term for the eventual owner.


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      Quote Originally Posted by Koops View Post
      I think that video could be separated into a couple of parts.

      1.Spike itself. Advantages going into the future. Support of full colour animations, hd LCD screens etc.

      2.Other cost cutting measures. Removal of lock downs, cabinet changes etc.

      A modularised system makes sense from a manufacturing point of view. Surely it is easier for them to just use 2-3 screws for a board that powers 6-12 lights, and run a single cat5 cable back for power and control versus having to solder each individual light socket.

      The flip side being those cost saving now result in higher maintenance costs in the long term for the eventual owner.


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      Further more to that and the most disgraceful is these cost cutting measures haven't been passed on to the customer and what was standard is now treated as a luxury!
      I haven't actually sat down and thought about all the stuff that has been removed until now.

      Transformer, light boards and individual sockets, wiring, lock down bar mech, even the headbox latch to name a few.

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      Consumer electronics went this way 20 years ago. We went from $1000 TVs to $300 TVs - from $1000 CD players to $19 ones.

      These items became disposable.

      Nobody cares because the price fits the "disposability".

      Enter Stern - doing the same thing in pinball but WITHOUT the disposable price tag.

      Others will step up to the plate, TAG will retail in Australia for AU$6499 - a new Stern SPIKE game is $10K++, that is plainly ridiculous.

      Other companies will follow with sensible prices and serviceability and other companies will get licences that appeal to a wider audience.

      The corporates at Stern won't see this coming because they are only looking at the bottom line and making sure they satisfy investors. Big mistake IMO.

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      Quote Originally Posted by Homepin View Post
      Consumer electronics went this way 20 years ago. We went from $1000 TVs to $300 TVs - from $1000 CD players to $19 ones.

      These items became disposable.

      Nobody cares because the price fits the "disposability".

      Enter Stern - doing the same thing in pinball but WITHOUT the disposable price tag.

      Others will step up to the plate, TAG will retail in Australia for AU$6499 - a new Stern SPIKE game is $10K++, that is plainly ridiculous.

      Other companies will follow with sensible prices and serviceability and other companies will get licences that appeal to a wider audience.

      The corporates at Stern won't see this coming because they are only looking at the bottom line and making sure they satisfy investors. Big mistake IMO.
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      I don't own any Stern pins, but after watching that video about Spike etc, I wont be investing any time soon.

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      Will never own any newer Stern games.
      SAM was it for me and there are plenty of back catalogue games to chose from.
      Every title has had some issue.
      Don't forget the SD card sound issues too.
      Also the non existent quality control.
      Mate had to work on his ASLE for 2 hours before he could play it.


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