Dannymh Posted October 15, 2010 Share Posted October 15, 2010 Hi everyone, I have about 500GB of music on one of my HD's but I havent really tagged all of it properly which causes some issues with jukebox players etc. I am wondering if anyone out there would be willing to do an exchange, I pass on my HD of music, you get all the music and tag what you can and then I get a tagged copy. I guess it's a semi-fair trade :) Anyone interested in helping out? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crafty Posted October 15, 2010 Share Posted October 15, 2010 I will do it. I might already have a lot of it done anyway :) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boddah Posted October 15, 2010 Share Posted October 15, 2010 Sounds like a good deal to me. I've just finished tagging almost that much music on my own drive though, so I'm definitely not keen to start a new batch!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Pubstuff Posted October 16, 2010 Share Posted October 16, 2010 crafty is the man (and i have an absolute sh*tload here also that can be done as well crafty..):lol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nidzdotnet Posted October 16, 2010 Share Posted October 16, 2010 Is all your music just random folders or are they all arranged into albums? Are they of good quality 192k+ or old junky 128k or less? I know i've goyt about 200gb and i've sorted, renamed and album foldered all of the folders and all of it is above 192k.. Takes bloody ages.. I don't think there's an app out there that can do it all auto.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dannymh Posted October 17, 2010 Author Share Posted October 17, 2010 It is a mess created by iTunes. They were tagged ok at one point, and then well I wont go into it but lets just say lending it to a friend was a bad idea. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crafty Posted October 17, 2010 Share Posted October 17, 2010 I-Tunes is good for apple products apparently but I am sure it is also designed to totally prevent the user from moving away from Apple products.... We can fix this :) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dbryar Posted October 17, 2010 Share Posted October 17, 2010 There is one that plays a bit of the file and matches it to a database, checks against the filename, tags, renames and moves on to the next. It's not free though, far from iirc. I use mp3tag because it supports ogg vorbis properly, is fast, and free. It helps that one January I re-oganised all my music in to \genre\artist\year - album\00 - Trackname, so setting up the filter in mp3tag I just got it to go through and fix up all the tags for about 10k songs. As to 500GB - WTF? Is that including music videos or something? I have barely 100GB and I'd call my music collection pretty extensive. None of that top 40 pop music shit, but enough to last well over a month of continuous play. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
t1ckt0ck Posted October 18, 2010 Share Posted October 18, 2010 I once tried tagging using some autotag software and it stuffed up the tags. Don't get me wrong it did find some tags, like under 50% but of those 50% only like 5% were right and it fucked the tags that were already there. I really wish I hadnt done that. :( Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Pubstuff Posted October 18, 2010 Share Posted October 18, 2010 crafty has tried to help me a couple of times getting mine right with the help of a couple of programs (cant remember the name now ... duh, but im sure its some dj program or similar) but i havent had much luck with it. im sure i just need to be shown rather than just let loose with the software. i reckon i got maybe 400gb or so of just music with maybe another couple of hundred gb of vids and while a lot is done, a lot isnt and im sure it contains quite a bit of double ups duh. since i have maybe 400gb of other goodies for crafty he may be nice enough to show a dumbass how to get it right easily :P on another note, wheres those AA drives full of music, vids and other goodies that were going around the country? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
acejas Posted October 18, 2010 Share Posted October 18, 2010 I re-oganised all my music in to \genre\artist\year - album\00 - Trackname, so setting up the filter in mp3tag I just got it to go through and fix up all the tags for about 10k songs. As to 500GB - WTF? Is that including music videos or something? I have barely 100GB and I'd call my music collection pretty extensive. None of that top 40 pop music shit, but enough to last well over a month of continuous play. +1 for organisation - pretty standard this one and makes for genre tagging very easy as you can highlight the folder and insert genre. I use Tag & Rename - quite happy with it but would like to try mp3tag as a comparison. One great feature of T&G is that you can undo the last command and check what it is going to look like. I spend hours at a time sorting my library out - it doesnt get to the jukebox until its got all teh tagging done and a cover (most of the time). Ive seen some collections that they have said have been tagged and is crap to my standard. Once everything is tagged - its amazing what your jukebox looks like. Got no problem sharing my collection with someone who has similar tagging options Ive also got what i consider a large library @ around 400g...id like to know what youve got with 500gig. My collection covers stuff I dont even listen to Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Administrators Brad Posted October 18, 2010 Administrators Share Posted October 18, 2010 +1 for organisation - pretty standard this one and makes for genre tagging very easy as you can highlight the folder and insert genre. I use Tag & Rename - quite happy with it but would like to try mp3tag as a comparison. One great feature of T&G is that you can undo the last command and check what it is going to look like. I spend hours at a time sorting my library out - it doesnt get to the jukebox until its got all teh tagging done and a cover (most of the time). Ive seen some collections that they have said have been tagged and is crap to my standard. Once everything is tagged - its amazing what your jukebox looks like. Got no problem sharing my collection with someone who has similar tagging options Ive also got what i consider a large library @ around 400g...id like to know what youve got with 500gig. My collection covers stuff I dont even listen to +1....well My parent folder is artists and not genre. I let the tags look after that :p Brad Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crafty Posted October 18, 2010 Share Posted October 18, 2010 I would have 500Gb of music with around 3500 albums on the juke plus maybe 1500 more to be sorted. Having said that as an example I have full sets for some artists. IIRC AC/DC has around 25 albums, some are the same name but with slight variatins for Aussie Vs International Release So I could easily cull lots of duplicate songs etc etc. I also have a penchant for collecting soundtracks which again end up in repeating songs. The New Iron Man 2 soundtrack is purely AC/DC... It's like a pokemon mentality " gotta catch em' all":lol I still have 80+ GB of metal to sort with artist's like cannibal corpse, HIM, Atreyu etc etc. As for labelling storing them etc, I simply go c:/Music/AC DC - Black Ice/01 - etc etc Tags, I really only do Title, Artist, Album Cover in the folder. Genre is a very subjective tag to use and can depend on settings within whatever program you are using to firstly tag and secondly play/use the track. Anyway always happy to discuss further re collections via PM. Bazz the HDD share was canned as it was getting a little too much attention and discussion, again happy to discuss share via PM for anyone. My list of albums, clips etc etc is extensive :) Interested to know for those of you who tag Genre, what list of Genre's you use... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Administrators Brad Posted October 18, 2010 Administrators Share Posted October 18, 2010 My issue with Genres is more a knowledge thing than anything else. EG: Metal, Speed Metal, Thrash Metal, Death Metal, That stupid fucking cookie monster metal To me thats just ALL metal and is tagged accordingly. Blasphemy to the purists sure. As for sorting by Genre my problem is that there are quite a number of artists who cross genres either on the same CD or across albums so I just sort by artists and I'm happy. Helps me keep track of what I have easier too ;) Brad Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crafty Posted October 18, 2010 Share Posted October 18, 2010 My issue with Genres is more a knowledge thing than anything else. EG: Metal, Speed Metal, Thrash Metal, Death Metal, That stupid fucking cookie monster metal To me thats just ALL metal and is tagged accordingly. Blasphemy to the purists sure. As for sorting by Genre my problem is that there are quite a number of artists who cross genres either on the same CD or across albums so I just sort by artists and I'm happy. Helps me keep track of what I have easier too ;) Brad +1 My point exactly Brad, Genre is a subjective/variable field... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
acejas Posted October 18, 2010 Share Posted October 18, 2010 Genres Dead right - Genres is totally subjective but it sure is a hell of a lot easier to navigate within your file structure. Im going to pick on Brads collection cause I can and Ive seen it. :o Despite what you think Brad I have a lot less genres than you do ;). I put your collection through etouch and it came up with 90 genres and 400+ albums with no genre (you might have tidied them up since then ). Yep, you had stuff like Rap, Rap Hip, Rap hiphop, Rap hip-hop, R and B, RnB, R & B, Classical, Classics, Old Classics. My collection has 32 Genres (2 pages in e-touch) and no "No Genres" Now to change the above examples in your collection, I have to go to each artist (or album) and change that tag. Whereas if they were already grouped in a genre folder then it takes 2 clicks and all those Genres can be changed too one. You might ask what about if your genre tastes are different too mine (and they will be). Its a hell of a lot easier to choose and move an artist into a genre folder and tag compared to going through them individually. Now your next question might be how do you chose your genres. How I do it is if i have a genre thats getting full or too diverse I add another genre. Rock is one where my artist list was just getting too big (200+ artists). Solution..I created a new genre called Rock Pop. This included stuff like U2, Bon Jovi, Powderfinger and Dire Straits for example. Rock contains Metallica, ACDC, Jimi Hendrix etc. Now as my collection grows I am starting to see another genre come out of these maybe Rock Metal or Rock Alternative. Notice Ive used the theme "Rock"? Again it ties it in all together so when a fellow collector (even though s/he doesn't have the same genres) can intuitively look and choose what they are after. What defines too big? When i get to the point and its hard to find an artist and the extremities don't fit (ie Metallica vs Supertramp). Again all these are subjective which brings me back to why using genre has a heap more advantages over the disadvantages. My collection has approximately 1500 artists (inc soundtrack, various artist albums, and other compilations. Now if they weren't in genres then Id have to scroll through the entire list to see what I like when im BROWSING - not if I was looking for an artist. For example, I would very rarely look at "Classical" music because I reckon I have the artists and song that would make up that genre. But in a flat folder system I have to look at every artist as I go down the list and say "Ok I dont need this" . Another example is if I have no idea who the artist is I have to look up the artist. This happened alot in your list Brad - so I gave up on your collection. lol Sorry for the rant but just trying to point out the not so obvious reasons why its good to have genres for people who are starting a new collection or in the process of sorting out their library what help genres can be. Im more than happy to share my collection with people if they have some form of tagging. Ive spent many many hours sorting my collection out...and its no where near complete. cheers Jas Oh regarding cross genre with a song, I use artist only as a genre and on "Various Artists" albums I choose the genre that fits the best or I have an unsorted "Singles" genre. Im not saying Im right - it just makes it so much easier. Even though Guns N Roses is a rock band they sing a number of ballads. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Administrators Brad Posted October 18, 2010 Administrators Share Posted October 18, 2010 (edited) LOL we always "disagree" but as you know it's whatever works for you that matters. Yeah I've tidied the last of it up some time ago Jas. Mostly the ones that had mis-matched genre tags such as a dash or multiple entries etc. Also the last time you got an update from mine I'd recently added a heap that didn't have genre tags in =( I've since fixed that up and you can really tell the difference in E-Touch when you choose the genre now. I still rarely use it though As for unknown artists yeah I generally research and can almost always find what they are or who etc. I'll even track down track names for the boofheads who rip their music and have no names :o Occasionally I will delete a CD as I just can't find what it is. As has been said Genres are a subjective thing but as you know I don't let anything near my collection that isn't tagged, renamed, gained and has cover art. As you pointed out at the time thought I'd neglected genres and in many cases years. You'll be happy to know that I audited it about 6 months ago and fixed all the missing and badly named genre tags though :D I forgot to say too it's also about how well you know your own collection and want to navigate it. I mean we both use E-Touch software but we control our music differently based on how we organise it in our minds. For instance with the Billboard Chart Collection I have them in an Artist Folder called Billboard. They are however tagged with the correct artists and title BUT the genre tag is Billboard. Same with compilation albums. Generally they are in a Various Artists Folder however many are particular compilations. I have quite a few 80's compilation CD's so their genre is 80's. I have the same for 90's, 70's etc. Given I'm a 70's and 80's kid and so are most of the people I know, these genres get a hammering at my place when we entertain. All people do is filter on 80's and they have hundreds of chart hits to choose from. Without that they need to remember the song title or search on artist and find the song. At Stuba's MM I queued a bit of music early on from your juke but I couldn't find a lot of songs that I know are in there because I was either too drunk OR I like to think that I know how my music is sorted but I don't know how yours is. I reckon you would have queued the music I was after in about 30 seconds flat because you know your collection better than I do. Brad Edited October 18, 2010 by Brad Additional... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crafty Posted October 18, 2010 Share Posted October 18, 2010 So can one of you Jas or Brad, list what Genres you have in your collections? Thanks Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dbryar Posted October 18, 2010 Share Posted October 18, 2010 I keep my genres pretty neat too. It really is a better option to "make up" your own names for genres as the ones in CDDB/gracenote/etc are shit. I have 20 genres, and 5 of them are "rock" based (indie rock, pop rock, hard rock, etc.) and I group up all the rap/hip hop/r&b in one because I have so little of it. As aceas said, it's eaiser to move the entire artist from one genre to another and retag en-masse than it is to try and find each album (or even worse, each song) and retag. So can one of you list what Genres you have in your collections? Alternative & Grunge Ambiance Blues & Roots Contemporary Dance & Lounge Electronic Hip Hop, Rap & R'n'B Indie Indie - Pop Indie - Rock Jazz, Funk & Reggae Pop - Rock Punk & Hardcore Retro Tunes Rock - Australian Rock - Hard Rock - Soft Rock - UK Traditional & Folk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
acejas Posted October 18, 2010 Share Posted October 18, 2010 I hear ya Brad :) My Billboard is a genre like yours. reason you couldnt find stuff at MM was that was a very old drive LOL...so it wasnt your drunkeness...I wish I had my full set to show you :). With every tag entered it shouldnt matter whos collection it is or what type of style you like to browse. Id be confident that anyone can get what they are looking for on my system :) When I talk about genre folders - its mainly for updating and looking at new collections Yep everyone knows there collection but my point is if anyone is going to start tagging why not make genres a part of it? :unsure Pet hate are the "Various" albums that have "Various Artists" as the artists. Takes ages to retag those. Agree about the 70's and 80's music. People like to search from the 80's (alot of my friends) But others like to choose genres. In the mornings having breakky outside...turn the jukebox on and choose random play which i have got "chilled" genre One day Ill convince you mate!!! we will have to have a show down as Id love to get your ideas too :) Crafty Heres my list of genres (in folders LOL) Acoustic Unplugged Alternative Billboard Blues Rock Chill Classical Country Dance Dub Easy Listening Funk Disco Groove Jazz Mastermix Classic Cuts (like billboard but for DJ's) NZ NZ Alternative Oldies Pop R&B Rap Hip Hop Reggae Rock Rock Pop RocknRoll Singles Ska Soul Soundtracks Trance Techno Triple J World Music Heres an example of suiting genres to taste. Being a kiwi :D I love my kiwi music and having alot of kiwi friends here and people visiting from NZ I made a genre called NZ. This includes alot of other genres but I always get asked - "Got any Kiwi music Bro?" There it is. They are in awe and go wow I forgot about them. NZ alternative are all the bands in the 80's that played the uni and pub scene. Artist like headless chickens, Able Tasman etc. I had enough to make a new genre...because again the average kiwi hadnt heard of these groups because they were in the uni scene. Singles is a genre I will eventually get rid of as I move these various albums into there correct genre. This is work in Progress HTH crafty Cheers ---------- Post added at 09:45 AM ---------- Previous post was at 09:40 AM ---------- Same with compilation albums. Generally they are in a Various Artists Folder however many are particular compilations. I have quite a few 80's compilation CD's so their genre is 80's. I have the same for 90's, 70's etc. Given I'm a 70's and 80's kid and so are most of the people I know, these genres get a hammering at my place when we entertain. All people do is filter on 80's and they have hundreds of chart hits to choose from. Without that they need to remember the song title or search on artist and find the song. Brad Wouldnt you filter on Year? rather than Genre? I get friends saying "You got any 80's?" sure - filter by year or even better use the Charts filter and theres the top 10 songs of the month of the year. People just freak out at that and cant believe it. Ive only discovered this in e-touch and love it Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Administrators Brad Posted October 18, 2010 Administrators Share Posted October 18, 2010 I hear ya Brad :) My Billboard is a genre like yours. reason you couldnt find stuff at MM was that was a very old drive LOL...so it wasnt your drunkeness...I wish I had my full set to show you :). With every tag entered it shouldnt matter whos collection it is or what type of style you like to browse. Thank god for that. I thought I was going nuts LOL! Pet hate are the "Various" albums that have "Various Artists" as the artists. Takes ages to retag those.Oh lord to I hear you there. I fucking hate that stupidity. Agree about the 70's and 80's music. People like to search from the 80's (alot of my friends) But others like to choose genres. In the mornings having breakky outside...turn the jukebox on and choose random play which i have got "chilled" genreI do a simliar here with the amount of Chill I have One day Ill convince you mate!!! we will have to have a show down as Id love to get your ideas too :)LOL any time mate =) Singles is a genre I will eventually get rid of as I move these various albums into there correct genre. This is work in ProgressYeah I've always refused to collect singles. It's albums or nothing for me and the only singles are compilations WITH correct tagging dammit =) Wouldnt you filter on Year? rather than Genre? I get friends saying "You got any 80's?" sure - filter by year or even better use the Charts filter and theres the top 10 songs of the month of the year. People just freak out at that and cant believe it. Ive only discovered this in e-touch and love it The problem for me in using a single year is that effectively you need to pick each year separately. By filtering on a decade you have a much quicker and easier choice of song selection. Also when you limit to chart selection, the Top 10 changes slowly as you go from month to month os again each screen press can effectively show the same 8-10 songs. I love the charts feature but in 2 years of use, I seen it used by people VERY rarely including myself. Cheers, Brad Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
acejas Posted October 18, 2010 Share Posted October 18, 2010 I keep my genres pretty neat too. It really is a better option to "make up" your own names for genres as the ones in CDDB/gracenote/etc are shit. I have 20 genres, and 5 of them are "rock" based (indie rock, pop rock, hard rock, etc.) and I group up all the rap/hip hop/r&b in one because I have so little of it. As aceas said, it's eaiser to move the entire artist from one genre to another and retag en-masse than it is to try and find each album (or even worse, each song) and retag. Alternative & Grunge Ambiance Blues & Roots Contemporary Dance & Lounge Electronic Hip Hop, Rap & R'n'B Indie Indie - Pop Indie - Rock Jazz, Funk & Reggae Pop - Rock Punk & Hardcore Retro Tunes Rock - Australian Rock - Hard Rock - Soft Rock - UK Traditional & Folk I love your rock genres - trouble is Im not knowledgeable on aussie and UK bands. I might add rock hard/soft because it suits more than rock and rock pop thanks :) My alternative is your punk and hardcore. I really dont undertsand what "Indie" genre is so never used it. Again a good example of not what to use cos Im not sure how to explain it Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Administrators Brad Posted October 18, 2010 Administrators Share Posted October 18, 2010 Drybar's list is an awesome example of why Genres are so subjective. I mean I would have these separate Alternative and Grunge Dance and Lounge Jazz, Funk and Reggae Punk and Hardcore although I don't even know what hardcore is :blink: Cheers, Brad Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crafty Posted October 19, 2010 Share Posted October 19, 2010 Thanks for the lists of Genre's guys. I use SK jukebox so have not has to delve deeply into this side of Tagging. Perhaps this should be copied to a new thread re: tagging? So everyone can find it. :) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dbryar Posted October 19, 2010 Share Posted October 19, 2010 Adding the year to the tag is not hard when it comes to ablums (or compilations), and i is totally worthwhile. I haven't bothered with the 500 or so tracks I have in the miscellaneous folder (usually singles) and almost all my live music is from full sets like Muse "HAARP" and Coldplay "Live", as well as a bunch of Triple J Live @ the wireless recordings I made when I lived in Sydney and could digitally rip them. The reason for grouping things like Dance and Lounge is because there would be less than 50 tracks in each otherwise. There are 96 song on 17 albums in there at present! Alternative & Grunge is from the 90's; what later became "alternative" isn't really, it's just another marketing name the wankers in the big record compaines managed to bully their way in to. Indie is simple to understand; It's anything not published by the 'Big 4' EMI/Sony BMG/Warner/Universal. As for the rest of the subjectiveness of genres, I'm totally with you. What I call hardcore, you may call thrash or something. I've just looked at my list of artists and started pushing them in to genres. When a genre gets too big (say over 50 artists) it gets split in to sub genres. That list is only full albums. Missing from that are Live Compilation Soundtrack Singles/Misc Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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