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this made my day.

im in the process of d/l some freeware apps to test in wine and provide screenshots and info for WineHq

 

when i started to down load Irfanview i got this message come up

 

http://windows-defense.com/2009/1/_freescan.php?aid=77011804

 

 

id would love to know how it reckons im running windows. and id love to know how it reckons my pc is full of virus and the rest.

 

 

the meain reason i am so interested... is cos im using Ubuntu Linux!!:lol:lol:lol:lol

 

cracks me up. had to share

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For the last 3 weeks most of my time is removing this crap from customers PC. It is insidious ransom-ware.

It install vbs scripts, dll files, BHO's and .exe. In some infections, it installs a really well hidden folder that I could only nuke by using a Boot Disc.

 

This is truly a mega-cunty piece of kit. :x

 

Some tools used to nuke the fucker:

 

Spybot 1.6 (using all it's features)

ccleaner

SmitFraudFix

Combo Fix

External HDD malware scan

 

Configure:

msconfig

Active X add-ons/BHOs under IE settings.

Manual removal of the fuckers in Program Files, System32, and where ever else the fucker lives.

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I've implemented a new (for us) procedure at work and home over the last few weeks. We do a clean install on Windows XP, add all the service packs, updates and programs that we use every day. Then I save an image of the drive to the server (via the network) using the free Seagate Disc Wizard version of Acronis. It's a free download but is locked to only work with Seagate and Maxtor drives.

 

If we suspect a PC is compromised (or Spyware Doctor says it's infected with something serious), I just reboot that machine with the Seagate-Acronis CD and restore the drive from the nice clean image on the server. It only takes 5-10 minutes to restore using our (Gigabit) network.

 

The images are about 60% of the drive's used space size. This is only about 5-15 GB for any of our machines as we don't keep any real data on them - it all resides on the servers. So far, I've used the restore 3 times. One was a virus, one was a upgraded hard drive and the other was after a hard drive failure.

 

To do other brand drives you need to buy the full version, but if you install the Seagate one first it will give you a link to a 40% discount offer. I reckon it's better value to just buy a new Seagate drive instead. You get the software for free and a 5 year warranty on the drive. Win - Win. About the only thing you don't get with the free version is incremental backups but that's not an important feature for me.

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I've implemented a new (for us) procedure at work and home over the last few weeks. We do a clean install on Windows XP, add all the service packs, updates and programs that we use every day. Then I save an image of the drive to the server (via the network) using the free Seagate Disc Wizard version of Acronis. It's a free download but is locked to only work with Seagate and Maxtor drives.

 

If we suspect a PC is compromised (or Spyware Doctor says it's infected with something serious), I just reboot that machine with the Seagate-Acronis CD and restore the drive from the nice clean image on the server. It only takes 5-10 minutes to restore using our (Gigabit) network.

 

The images are about 60% of the drive's used space size. This is only about 5-15 GB for any of our machines as we don't keep any real data on them - it all resides on the servers. So far, I've used the restore 3 times. One was a virus, one was a upgraded hard drive and the other was after a hard drive failure.

 

To do other brand drives you need to buy the full version, but if you install the Seagate one first it will give you a link to a 40% discount offer. I reckon it's better value to just buy a new Seagate drive instead. You get the software for free and a 5 year warranty on the drive. Win - Win. About the only thing you don't get with the free version is incremental backups but that's not an important feature for me.

 

or you could do what dezrae and i are doing and run Ubuntu. problem solved :D

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or you could do what dezrae and i are doing and run Ubuntu. problem solved :D

Huh? How does that solve a failed drive? A dead drive is a dead drive, Windows or otherwise. As for Ubuntu, can it run the CAD and other business software we use? I suspect not. I'm sure that plenty of Ubuntu boxes get fiddled with to the point they're rooted and need a re-install. :lol

 

<Rant> This is not pointed at anyone in particular.

 

We use Firefox, Thunderbird, Open Office, etc on Windows XP. If we used a *nix O/S, we could still do that. Is there any good reason for us to move to *nix as a client O/S? No. We've have Debian servers for years. Would I change them to Windows servers? No. I pick the best O/S for the job at hand and for client (desktop) applications, Windows XP blows any *nix O/S away in terms of everyday use for us. Home users with less specific needs may find Ubuntu to their liking, but I'm not changing any time soon. Just because something's cool or trendy doesn't make it good.

 

I know some people say *nix as a desktop is better than Windows because it's free. (as in zero $) Well, the cost of a Windows licence has very little impact on the total cost of owning a PC. The real measure of the cost of a PC in an office environment is time and productivity. A PC is just another tool and we get good value out of our Windows boxes.

 

</Rant>

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:lol:lol:lol:lol

 

you guys crack me up....

 

better visit a few watchtower web sites and see whats the latest i guess

 

http://www.watchtower.org/

 

http://www.ubuntu.com

 

http://www.ubuntuforums.org

 

http://brainstorm.ubuntu.com/

 

http://planet.ubuntu.com/

 

http://fridge.ubuntu.com/

 

http://www.psychocats.net/ubuntu/

 

http://fullcirclemagazine.org/

 

much pop corn to be consumed here.... and vodka too :lol:lol

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Is Ubuntu really impervious to any attack?

 

Not its not, no software is ever likely to be totally bullet proof, its just that malware writers target the biggest audience to get the biggest bang for their buck. A tiny fraction of PCs out there run any flavour of linux, a fraction of that fraction run Ubuntu. Targetting Ubuntu or any of the Linuxes is not worth their time, they are better off going after the 94% or so percent that run windows of some flavour.

 

There are a number of theoretical reasons why the unixes are less pervious to that kind of crap but its never really been put to the test, and by that I mean the malware folks devoting all their energies into it with large amounts of money to be made as an incentive.

 

Windows is just the biggest target, so it attracts all the hunters really.

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it has nothing to do with the fact windows has so many security holes of course, only that it has the biggest market ;):lol:lol

 

The data is skewed by so few people looking for and exploiting security holes in Linux, so although windows has a fair few, its impossible to say that linux is any better in that respect.

 

Of course if you talk about real-world-will-actually-be-exploited security holes then sure windows is the less secure OS. Its like comparing the car crash stats for 2 models, one model that is driven by untold millions of people, and one model that is a very very niche market vehicle and one that is driven by more technically minded people. There will inevitably be far more crashes in the more popular car than in the less popular car.

 

The problem really is that Linux is the more secure, but less useful of the two operating systems in real world situations, for the majority of the the population.

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Antivirus XP 2008

 

a) Add/Remove

AntivirXP08

 

b) C:\Windows\system32

cssrss.exe

lphcjofj0enan.exe

dllhst3g.dll

blphojofi0enan.scr

phcjofj0enan.bmp

 

c) MSCONFIG

cssrss.exe

lphcjofj0enan.exe

rhchofi0enan.exe

 

d) Program Files

rhchofi0enan folder

rhchofi0enan.exe

 

I'm sure there are more of the little fecker elsewhere throughout Windows, but that is the main components that get installed.

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Antivirus XP 2008

 

a) Add/Remove

AntivirXP08

 

b) C:Windowssystem32

cssrss.exe

lphcjofj0enan.exe

dllhst3g.dll

blphojofi0enan.scr

phcjofj0enan.bmp

 

c) MSCONFIG

cssrss.exe

lphcjofj0enan.exe

rhchofi0enan.exe

 

d) Program Files

rhchofi0enan folder

rhchofi0enan.exe

 

I'm sure there more of the little fecker elsewhere throughout Windows, but that is the main components that get installed.

 

that there is one of the reasons linux is safer. permission is needed to install anything to root in linux. if something surreptitiously tried, you get a message asking for your password. linux is built differently to windows. for instance, files arent fragmented in linux, so you never have to defragment...

 

here is a better explanationon virus threats:

 

http://librenix.com/?inode=21

 

an older article, but still relevant...

 

i was talking to my friend who put me onto ubuntu. basically we agreed that as it stands, and just as in the biological world, to make a virus complicated enough to wreak havok on linux would mean it would be quite a large file and therefore not a virus anymore. its one thing to slip a 10k exe in somehow, quite another to sneak in a 1mb file. so a linux attack would have to be fundametally different.

 

where linux could be in for a huge fall is that, with ubuntu at least, virtually anything you need to add on is at the ubuntu repository. if i want to install mame for instance, i just go:

 

system-administration-synaptic package manager. in there i can find anything im likely to need (other than things like CAD ;) ). hack the ubuntu site, and swap real files for virus files, and a whole stack of us will blindly download and install something malicious. to me that is plausible, but somehow i get the feeling that its a little less likely than normal socially engineered malware attacks...

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I was talking to my friend who put me onto ubuntu. basically we agreed that as it stands, and just as in the biological world, to make a virus complicated enough to wreak havoc on Linux would mean it would be quite a large file and therefore not a virus any more. its one thing to slip a 10k exe in somehow, quite another to sneak in a 1mb file. so a Linux attack would have to be fundamentally different.

 

Yeah, but there are plenty of people that download megabytes of malware every day. They just don't know that it's malware! People blindly installing stuff from the web are infecting their computers all the time. It's only a matter of time before ubuntu users start appearing in the percentages, especially if they don't go though the "trusted" channels to get their rpm's or whatever. Never underestimate the risk of attack "from the inside" as it were. No need for trojans to have sneaky installation methods sometimes! :lol

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thats what im getting at though. in windows, its easy to download malware without realising it. but in linux, when that bullshit virus scanner tries to install, you will be prompted for a password because its trying to install in the root directory. not very sneaky when you get asked :lol

 

the other thing is not so much due to the design of linux, but the setup of the community. you tend to get a lot of malware trying to get dodgy copies of software. especially cracks for windows products (because who wants to pay for word and excel?). i actually got a horrible virus once when i went to the wrong link (typo) to download a trojan detector! but everything for linux is already free, so you need only get it from the one source. no need for cracks or pirated copies of stuff...

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... but in linux, when that bullshit virus scanner tries to install, you will be prompted for a password because its trying to install in the root directory. not very sneaky when you get asked :lol

But that's my point. A lot of people are stupid enough to install the malware even when it asks for permission! It never ceases to amaze me in some ways.

... but everything for linux is already free, so you need only get it from the one source. no need for cracks or pirated copies of stuff...
I'm pretty sure not all Linux software is free. I know that various applications have been ported to Linux just like some have been ported to Windows. Not free ones either.

 

There's plenty of free software for both Windows and Linux. It would be interesting to see what proportion of free / paid for stuff is out there for both platforms but I suspect it's hard to get real figures on this.

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But that's my point. A lot of people are stupid enough to install the malware even when it asks for permission! It never ceases to amaze me in some ways.

I'm pretty sure not all Linux software is free. I know that various applications have been ported to Linux just like some have been ported to Windows. Not free ones either.

 

those people are using windows ;) once theyve had enough and they go to linux or mac (like i did) then when something asks you for a password, you know its to install something. most malware works because its installing stuff without you even knowing it. thats the clue that little 'congratulations, you've won $1000' popup isnt all its made out to be. if its very existence isnt already a hint...

 

There's plenty of free software for both Windows and Linux. It would be interesting to see what proportion of free / paid for stuff is out there for both platforms but I suspect it's hard to get real figures on this.

 

true. hard to compare. and some of the free stuff works on both systems. like open office for instance. the OS itself is a good start though. but you d have to admit that while you use windows, theres that feeling that you want to 'stick it to the man' and get as much cracked stuff as possible.

 

dont get me wrong. i know linux isnt perfect. for instance i was just playing my old 'age of empires' game on WINE. but the sound goes away after a few minutes. and despite what they say at the ubuntu forums, they arent THAT helpful or friendly! but so long as i can have spreadsheets, word processing, email and surf for porn im happy. everything else is a bonus :D

 

besides, i can just boot into XP if i really need to. ive done it maybe once every two weeks or so since ive had ubuntu...

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There's plenty of free software for both Windows and Linux. It would be interesting to see what proportion of free / paid for stuff is out there for both platforms but I suspect it's hard to get real figures on this.

 

and here lies the biggest problem with the linux community itself... the mentality that they want *EVERTHING* for free.

 

im quite happy for fork out hard earnt cash for good software, be it closed source or otherwise and i have done so with ubuntu, i have bought a copy of Turbo print (linux native) and Willow creek backup (windows backup)

i bought the willow creek backup as there is no backup program that comes anywhere near it that is native linux.

 

from what i can gather there is bugger all software to purchase for linux, but feel free to prove me wrong.

 

anyhow, better give some popcorn to Arcadeking im sure hes laughing his arse off

 

:stirthepot::40s:

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and here lies the biggest problem with the linux community itself... the mentality that they want *EVERTHING* for free.

 

I'm quite happy for fork out hard earned cash for good software, be it closed source or otherwise

 

And I sincerely say "Good on you" for this. Why should software be free just because it's used on a particular O/S? I write software (mainly freeware) and I buy commercial software. I also use freeware and shareware. There's room for it all.

 

Those people are using windows ;) once they've had enough and they go to linux or mac (like i did) then when something asks you for a password, you know its to install something.

I think you underestimate the average PC user's savvy. There's a whole sector of users out there that will install anything and everything no matter what the O/S. The reason you don't hear about them doing it to *nix yet is that they haven't "crossed over" yet. When they do, they'll be rooting *nix boxes as fast as they rooted their M$ box!

... but you d have to admit that while you use windows, there's that feeling that you want to 'stick it to the man' and get as much cracked stuff as possible.

Actually, no I don't "want to stick it to the man". I use and appreciate good software and OS's for their own merits. Almost all my PC's have XP Home or XP Pro on them. One has Vista Basic and really, I don't mind it. It's more reliable than my Win98SE box I think. :lol

...and despite what they say at the ubuntu forums, they aren't THAT helpful or friendly!

Yes, I've struck the "exclusive club" mentality with linux. It happens with lots of things in life and linux is certainly not immune from it. I actually pay an IT support company to help me with my Debian servers from time to time. Money well spent. It's just another cost of doing business and means I can get on with what I do best.

 

I've been meaning to grab an spare PC and install ubuntu or some other flavour for a while. Too many things to do - too little time!

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