sleazius Posted June 5, 2018 Share Posted June 5, 2018 I am surprised there has been so little backlash from the people that have pre-ordered. Its because there are so few of you left with money in the game. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dirty daz Posted June 5, 2018 Share Posted June 5, 2018 What's it cost to ship a pinball from China? I suppose they wouldn't have any B/W games lying around like there once was in Japan? $600-700usd shipping $1800aud customs clearance, 13 days on the water, 3 days to clear , 36 machines per 20ft container , about $75aud per machine Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boots Posted June 5, 2018 Share Posted June 5, 2018 What's it cost to ship a pinball from China? I suppose they wouldn't have any B/W games lying around like there once was in Japan? Different to Japan as they are communist 25 years ago they were living in villages eating rat on a stick :lol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jason1 Posted June 5, 2018 Share Posted June 5, 2018 25 years ago they were living in villages eating rat on a stick lol, now its the Tourists who pay to eat rats on sticks when they visit lol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pop Bumper Pete Posted June 5, 2018 Share Posted June 5, 2018 @Spaen , nup, the exclusive topper is no longer exclusive but you did get to choose what size coindoor you wanted, which is an important aspect of the machine Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ajfclark Posted June 5, 2018 Share Posted June 5, 2018 lol, now its the Tourists who pay to eat rats on sticks when they visit lol Close, it was duck head: The brain was particularly nice and the beak was less chewy than expected... It wasn't all weird crap on sticks. This was carrot I think: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wiredoug Posted June 5, 2018 Share Posted June 5, 2018 $600-700usd shipping $1800aud customs clearance, 13 days on the water, 3 days to clear , 36 machines per 20ft container , about $75aud per machine whose lifting container for 600 usd still? thats 2005 rates. or was this some time ago? for interest - specific to TAG...21 only in a container, the packed size is exactly 80 x 77 x 140 (inc pallet) 9850rmb in advance in China (about 1500 usd) - PLUS costs at both ends, paperwork is extra and also AU$300 for the FTA certificate, then unloading costs etc. its over 200au a machine.. 240 with my crayons but thats just roughly Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lazarus Posted June 5, 2018 Share Posted June 5, 2018 I would imagine the frustrations and overall customer experience would be enough to turn away future buyers. I get the impression pre-sales were mainly from people wanting to support Mike get off the ground, not sure he has earned much respect from all this. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Super Moderator WOKA Posted June 5, 2018 Super Moderator Share Posted June 5, 2018 You know, when all is said and done - he is still in business, unlike many other 'small pinball startups'... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lambodad Posted June 5, 2018 Share Posted June 5, 2018 whose lifting container for 600 usd still? thats 2005 rates. or was this some time ago? for interest - specific to TAG...21 only in a container, the packed size is exactly 80 x 77 x 140 (inc pallet) 9850rmb in advance in China (about 1500 usd) - PLUS costs at both ends, paperwork is extra and also AU$300 for the FTA certificate, then unloading costs etc. its over 200au a machine.. 240 with my crayons but thats just roughly Unloading costs are cheap as chips cheaper than the certificate Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Pro Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wig0001 Posted June 5, 2018 Share Posted June 5, 2018 Hopefully he gets his act together for his next release if there is one Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ballypinball Posted June 5, 2018 Share Posted June 5, 2018 whose lifting container for 600 usd still? thats 2005 rates. or was this some time ago? for interest - specific to TAG...21 only in a container, the packed size is exactly 80 x 77 x 140 (inc pallet) 9850rmb in advance in China (about 1500 usd) - PLUS costs at both ends, paperwork is extra and also AU$300 for the FTA certificate, then unloading costs etc. its over 200au a machine.. 240 with my crayons but thats just roughly More accurate amount and details Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wiredoug Posted June 5, 2018 Share Posted June 5, 2018 Unloading costs are cheap as chips cheaper than the certificate its true that 21pallets off with a fork if you have a commercial yard costs peanuts. but once you include co-coordinating 21 outbound single consignments to domestic addresses it isnt such a quick job. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Railways Posted June 5, 2018 Share Posted June 5, 2018 There are at least two more titles in the pipeline that I'm aware of but I don't really give a Rats arse about them:x Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hotty Posted June 6, 2018 Share Posted June 6, 2018 You know, when all is said and done - he is still in business, unlike many other 'small pinball startups'... This is true, but if your reffering to the most recent failures, it wasn't from average game design, demand for those titles is still attracting attention from people. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Autosteve Posted June 6, 2018 Share Posted June 6, 2018 You know, when all is said and done - he is still in business, unlike many other 'small pinball startups'... I think a lot of there downfall has to do with high prices, doubts about the machines themselves longevity or life expectancy and a blind believe you will sell enough pinballs to make it all work. While it is becoming apparent just about anyone can make pinballs these days, the trick seems to be to stay in business. Mike's right trying to have diversity in his factory I think. This makes for many eggs to break rather than just one full box. It really appears to me Mike is in this for the long run. I think his video cabinet sales, parts manufacture of obsolete spare parts for any OEM company and the host of other things his factory appears to be set up to do quickly and cheaply is the advantage Mike has over most others thinking they can "make pinballs". You really need to remember if Bally/Williams couldn't make suitable revenue out of pinball with a highly successful video machine division each as well as a poker machine division each to prop things up, the writing is on the wall to anyone that thinks you can do this solely on the back of a couple of hundred pinball sales a year. I would regard anyone thinking pinball manufacture and supply is all you need to do these days is very naive and probably destine to become one of the many thousands of pinball companies to fail since pinball started in the 30s. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tim Z Posted June 10, 2018 Share Posted June 10, 2018 Some good pics of TAG in the US half way down the page,looking good. https://www.pinballnews.com/site/2018/06/08/northwest-pinball-arcade-show-2018-1/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
namastepat Posted June 10, 2018 Share Posted June 10, 2018 Best photos of the playfield so far. I like the ramp entry decals, makes a big difference in the look of the machine. I will be interested to hear the feedback from the US pinheads about gameplay, none of us have played this latest version. Apparently gameplay changes have been made, so I am keen to hear the results. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tim Z Posted June 10, 2018 Share Posted June 10, 2018 Yes i thought so too,that's why i put up the link. Too bad Homepin didn't think to put some up on FB for us. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pop Bumper Pete Posted June 11, 2018 Share Posted June 11, 2018 Yes i thought so too,that's why i put up the link. Too bad Homepin didn't think to put some up on FB for us. Why should he? HomePin is a diverse company. they make video game cabinets, replacement boards, their target customer base is China, and they have other secret products TAG is a small unimportant part of what they do Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skywalker Posted June 11, 2018 Share Posted June 11, 2018 I will be interested to hear the feedback from the US pinheads about gameplay, Some feedback on pinside now from the Northwest show, https://pinside.com/pinball/forum/topic/2018-northwest-pinball-arcade-show-june-8-10/page/4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
namastepat Posted June 11, 2018 Share Posted June 11, 2018 Seems the feedback is generally average, lots of comments about underpowered flippers. That wasn't a problem on the proto build when I played it, lots of other issues, but the flippers were fine. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boots Posted June 11, 2018 Share Posted June 11, 2018 Some feedback on pinside now from the Northwest show, https://pinside.com/pinball/forum/topic/2018-northwest-pinball-arcade-show-june-8-10/page/4 Interesting how after all the comments on weak flippers and over bright outdated dmd mike attacks the one Aussie after a constructive comment about the plastic lockdown bar and then strangely makes a comment about someone else being a grouch wtf Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pop Bumper Pete Posted June 11, 2018 Share Posted June 11, 2018 Interesting how after all the comments on weak flippers and over bright outdated dmd mike attacks the one Aussie after a constructive comment about the plastic lockdown bar and then strangely makes a comment about someone else being a grouch wtf more worried about the guy who got the ball stuck behind The Mole redesign, more delays Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Replay Posted June 11, 2018 Share Posted June 11, 2018 Interesting how after all the comments on weak flippers and over bright outdated dmd mike attacks the one Aussie after a constructive comment about the plastic lockdown bar and then strangely makes a comment about someone else being a grouch wtf Classic stuff Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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