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I'm fully aware of your grief with Wayne Mark but I'm TRYING to be unbias and neutral and in THIS instance you started it.

If people leave AA thats their prerogative I cant stop them and in the past I've gone out of my way to contact and ring people about their concerns BUT IM SICK OF IT! sick of being made to feel that their problems with Wayne should be my problems with the guy.

Has Wayne ever ripped me off? NO

Has Wayne ever ripped another member off ? Not that i've heard in fact as far as his parts business goes I've heard nothing but praise only people are too afraid to speak up in fear of being attacked by the "Anti Wayne Campaigners" and called something childish like a "Wayne Lover"

Has Wayne ever bagged AA on a newsgroup like RPG? NO! and yet all the hard work I put into AA I'm just expected to cop shit like that on the chin? I don't think so.

Should the other 99% of members who don't give a rats arse about pinball politics be made to suffer? NO!

Does the baiting , insults and what not only come from Wayne? NO! this door swing two ways but certain people will only ever see what they want.

 

I use to ALWAYS give people the time of day and listen to the whinging and whining about "Wayne's done this Waynes done that" to the point where I don't recall having a conversation with people on the other side of the fence that didnt include bitching about Wayne, this always comes from a very small group.

Most people ignore it for the greater good of the community and if people are going to put their personal agenda before the "greater good" then really who is to blame?

I'm simply not going to accept Wayne is the source of all pinball evil anymore when I've seen people behaving EXACTLY the same way they are accusing Wayne.

Just so you know Mark We've had legal threats recently from gutless fucks who find it easier to attack easy targets like AA then have the balls to confront Wayne directly. Has Wayne ever threaten us with legal action? NO!

So why isnt Wayne banned? because I REFUSE to be pressured into doing anything, if it costs AA members well those members never had the best interests of the community at heart to begin with and can't see past their own bias to see how they are effecting people around them. I really don't expect you to see things from my perspective.

 

I think my point was some people put their own agenda ahead of the greater good of the "AUSSIE ARCADE" community.

I wont suffer being tagged with childiish "Wayne lover BS" by people who don't even know me.

 

 

 

sorry Ian but this site needs $$$ to survive and unless YOU are going to compensate us for lost $$ to keep the site running then its not going to happen.

Shame you feel people like jomac don't deserve to be here who contribute a great deal to this community.

 

Travis the day you and Ryan let commercial interest have space on this site, is the day Aussie Arcade - 'Home of the Backyarder' died.

 

Both yourself and Ryan have completely sold out! This site used to be about the hobbyist/backyarder... it is that no more. Now you look after your masters, (the commercial sponsors who keep the site afloat). Stuff the people, hobbyist and backyarders who made what this place is, you'll always be subservient from your corporate sponsors because as you said, they keep the site running because of their money. (fark I can think of several ways to raise money and even have IN-DIRECT corp sponsorship). I'm saddened that the title of 'Home of the Backyarder' is DEAD! Corporate sponsorship now rules this place.

 

There is NOTHING, 'hobbyist' or 'backyarder' about a place that is ruled by corporate sponsorship. You should consider renaming that place, Aussie Arcade - Home of the corporate sponsors.

 

R.I.P AUSSIE ARCADE HOME OF THE BACKYARDER.

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let me comment on this for a min

 

Personally I know people have agendas, old wounds, and hatreds here. Thats fair enough but when an innocent thread is used as vehicle to raise these issues publically.....well its just plain disrespectful to the original poster. Its also dissing the whole community.

 

This crap will never be resolved in a public discussion thread. I think thats been proven beyond doubt long ago. To continue it just makes the participants look bad, and makes things shitty for others here. Ian surely you know its pointless to continue this.

 

Put aside any crap that goes on and this is a really great place. The good people here make it worthwhile. Does Wayne owning the rights to artwork stop guys from holding meets, making freinds, and helping eachother out? Nope!

Anyway rant off.

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...There is NOTHING, 'hobbyist' or 'backyarder' about a place that is ruled by corporate sponsorship. You should consider renaming that place, Aussie Arcade - Home of the corporate sponsors.

 

I certainly don't think that's true. Aussie Arcade is not ruled by the commercial guys. It does suffer when people jump up and down and accuse the admins of pandering to the commercial sponsors.

 

Sure there is history (some good, some bad) between some members and some commercial guys, but I don't let that affect me and my love for arcading. If there's a commercial (or regular) member that I don't get on with, I just don't interact with them much. Some restraint (from both "sides") is required for the greater good of the AA community. Please don't let issues like this get you riled up.

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R.I.P AUSSIE ARCADE HOME OF THE BACKYARDER.

Sorry you feel that way Ian didnt know you were in to the Pin scene so much.

As you have pointed out that side (Pins)of Arcade is a touchy side is it the $$ involved:unsure

As for the video side it is a no brainier to see that the commercial section has helped lots of members to no end lets say Jomac as an eg. Mate he is a commercial guy and look at the help he has given members. Shit if we had more guys willing to pay to give their time the admins could friggin quit their day jobs

Ian I do not know what you have against the commercial guys here but man WTF

 

Just my 2 cents worth

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Travis the day you and Ryan let commercial interest have space on this site, is the day Aussie Arcade - 'Home of the Backyarder' died.

 

Both yourself and Ryan have completely sold out! This site used to be about the hobbyist/backyarder... it is that no more. Now you look after your masters, (the commercial sponsors who keep the site afloat). Stuff the people, hobbyist and backyarders who made what this place is, you'll always be subservient from your corporate sponsors because as you said, they keep the site running because of their money. (fark I can think of several ways to raise money and even have IN-DIRECT corp sponsorship). I'm saddened that the title of 'Home of the Backyarder' is DEAD! Corporate sponsorship now rules this place.

 

There is NOTHING, 'hobbyist' or 'backyarder' about a place that is ruled by corporate sponsorship. You should consider renaming that place, Aussie Arcade - Home of the corporate sponsors.

 

R.I.P AUSSIE ARCADE HOME OF THE BACKYARDER.

 

 

seeya Pinny Palour .... bye bye litte fella :o:cry. Grow up you childish idiot.

 

DIDNT YOU ALREADY LEAVE? :unsure .... Ooo thats right you came back. :lol

 

HTFU

 

It seems everyone... well most people here can see who is doing what, I just feel sorry for the poor new people who have to be exposed to this crap.

 

Anyway... I am just going to have a great time in a mates games room and play some pins. Cos that why MOST of us are here for. Mates and to have fun with Arcade/Pinball.

 

signing off for now....

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Travis the day you and Ryan let commercial interest have space on this site, is the day Aussie Arcade - 'Home of the Backyarder' died.

 

Both yourself and Ryan have completely sold out! This site used to be about the hobbyist/backyarder... it is that no more. Now you look after your masters, (the commercial sponsors who keep the site afloat). Stuff the people, hobbyist and backyarders who made what this place is, you'll always be subservient from your corporate sponsors because as you said, they keep the site running because of their money. (fark I can think of several ways to raise money and even have IN-DIRECT corp sponsorship). I'm saddened that the title of 'Home of the Backyarder' is DEAD! Corporate sponsorship now rules this place.

 

There is NOTHING, 'hobbyist' or 'backyarder' about a place that is ruled by corporate sponsorship. You should consider renaming that place, Aussie Arcade - Home of the corporate sponsors.

 

R.I.P AUSSIE ARCADE HOME OF THE BACKYARDER.

 

.......not to comment on the dispute that caused the above post BUT.....

I find it difficult to comprehend how some manage to turn a topic such as this into this anti-AA agenda. Most here are passionate about the hobby and the site where we all meet up so can easily take these kind of insults personally. To me it's kind of like FUCK OFF IF YOU DON'T LIKE IT!

These dramatic posts that are made stating that that "I'm leaving" all come across as very childish.....I mean if you're leaving, just don't log on again - simple!

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My tip: Next time you log in, try clicking "New Posts" and instead of going straight to the pinball section.

 

What you will see is how wrong you are. This community is alive and well. It is only one little dark corner where a small few plot and scheme that ails it. The vast majority of the AA membership couldnt give a fuck about those drama queens.

 

I have not heard of a single incident where an AA admin has been forced into anything by a commercial member. They make money here, they pay a small fee towards the sites running costs for the priviledge. Period.

 

Trust me on this one, if any commercial guys tried bossing the admins around. They would get their money back with a note attached saying "Thanks, but no thanks...fuck off". Its not that much money.

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I used to be a moderator of gaming website that was booming, unfortunately interest dropped and the admin had to pull the plug due to costs.

It's a pity but at the end of the day the sponsors pay for the site to stay up.

 

This place has a wealth of information and it would be a shame to lose it.

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I don't see any problem here - a few lousy corporate dollars aren't going to run roughshod over the admins/members here - jesus, if you were that sensitive about sponsorship, you'd never watch a game of cricket or footy ever again :-)

 

I've only been around this place for 5 mins, but its all about the hearts and minds of the members, and as long as people can post, this place will continue as the friendly and helpful resource it is.

 

Cheers

Simon

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Travis the day you and Ryan let commercial interest have space on this site, is the day Aussie Arcade - 'Home of the Backyarder' died.

 

Both yourself and Ryan have completely sold out! This site used to be about the hobbyist/backyarder... it is that no more. Now you look after your masters, (the commercial sponsors who keep the site afloat). Stuff the people, hobbyist and backyarders who made what this place is, you'll always be subservient from your corporate sponsors because as you said, they keep the site running because of their money. (fark I can think of several ways to raise money and even have IN-DIRECT corp sponsorship). I'm saddened that the title of 'Home of the Backyarder' is DEAD! Corporate sponsorship now rules this place.

 

There is NOTHING, 'hobbyist' or 'backyarder' about a place that is ruled by corporate sponsorship. You should consider renaming that place, Aussie Arcade - Home of the corporate sponsors.

 

R.I.P AUSSIE ARCADE HOME OF THE BACKYARDER.

 

Although I do not completely agree with the above, atleast he has the balls to put his point across, be it against the establishment or not. The last time I corrected one of the mod's of their ignorance(a non pinball topic), I was banned.

 

I thought this was a 'forum', ie- somewhere where, thoughts & ideas were exchanged & challenged. Ultimately the 'forum' will decide for themselves, the rights & wrongs of the topic initiated.

 

Getting your 'post'count up , seems to be the main perogative round these parts, whether these be quality or not.

Members of this forum who contribute in a qualitative & straight forward way are well known, thank-you.

 

Nontheless, I may be heading for a hiatus:sleep

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Although I do not completely agree with the above, atleast he has the balls to put his point across, be it against the establishment or not. The last time I corrected one of the mod's of their ignorance(a non pinball topic), I was banned.

 

Getting your 'post'count up , seems to be the main perogative round these parts, whether these be quality or not.

Members of this forum who contribute in a qualitative & straight forward way are well known, thank-you.

 

Nontheless, I may be heading for a hiatus:sleep

 

i don't think you have fooled to many people. 60 posts the bulk of which are trolls and troll baits, much like this one. i find it very interesting that you haven't joined another forum, that confirms to me who you really are (Hello! - most people on here know!). hope you do piss off but i bet you don't - your account here only has one purpose and it doesn't involve contributing positively in any way. see ya, hopefully, but I'll bet you'll be back to hang shit and bait. ;) it doesn't earn your alter ego any credibility either.

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Thats EXACTLY why I moved it here Shannon, sick of this shit where you try to clean up a thread then the admins/mods are accused of trying to hide or cover someone's arse.

 

I truly believe people can see through the BS for themselfs. This "my way or the highway" attitude is really REALLY getting old and tiresome.

I just believe half these incidents are staged to divert members attentions elsewhere. Time some people just got the fuck over it and stop using this site to further their own agenda.

 

Aussie Arcade has and always will be a site for the "Backyarder" The commercial forum was only set up to make a few bucks to keep the site running and is ONLY to be used for advertising. Nobody dictates what happens here except us. I know the Pinball industry is pretty cut throat but thats not our fault and we shouldn't be expected to deal with your issues unless you or your company have been directly named and slandered.

 

I'd like to take this opportunity to thank all those members who put people before politics and ignore the BS for the good of the community I'd also like to apologise again to the newbie's who are sitting there going WTF! unfortunately shit happens but theres always fighting no matter where you go.

 

Cheers

Trav

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Hmm Interesting reading.

Myself personally love the Commercial section. If it wasn't for this I probably be scratching my head on where to get parts and service!..

 

I don't run the forum and moderate as I don't have the time, and only too aware of the guys that do, it's a big, time consuming job, so anyway they see fit to run the forum is fine by me..

 

I've got no grudges of anyone here and rarely comment on threads that start getting political.

 

That's all..

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i agree trav

 

funding has to come from either donations or the commercial guys. As much as we are a big family as such it is hard still to collect donations

 

i love the commercial forum too. Saves googling for parts suppliers or sending emails to get lost in the system

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Good god, i must be living under a mushroom or something....

 

Considering I always use 'new posts' and read every area of the forum, and have been here almost every day for two years... I'm still to understand WTF this is all about, let alone find cause to get so personally upset and leave the site.

 

Seriously Ian, I give you the benefit of the doubt that you may have some personal bad experiences with some commercial guys or other members, but I guarantee you that they're the minority and not visible to most of the users here. On the other hand, ranting like yours DOES drag down the site and make it less of a friendly backyarder community.

 

So what we have here is a self forfilling prophecy mate.

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Good god, i must be living under a mushroom or something....

 

Considering I always use 'new posts' and read every area of the forum, and have been here almost every day for two years... I'm still to understand WTF this is all about, let alone find cause to get so personally upset and leave the site.

 

Seriously Ian, I give you the benefit of the doubt that you may have some personal bad experiences with some commercial guys or other members, but I guarantee you that they're the minority and not visible to most of the users here. On the other hand, ranting like yours DOES drag down the site and make it less of a friendly backyarder community.

 

So what we have here is a self forfilling prophecy mate.

 

Ian's issue is that he doesnt want ANY commercial sellers here at all, he thinks we've sold out to advertising (which is pretty funny because if you go to his site its full of ads). When AA first started as a very small group of disgruntle ArseClown victims we had free hosting and virtually no overhead, site got bigger and attracted commercial peeps. While at first we didnt want any commercial selling It was near impossible to stop it so I thought well if people are going to profit off AA then they should chip in to keep it up and running.

 

I actually thought that the bitching had dropped right off since someone had a dummy spit and left :unsure

 

Always has the same cycle, quite for a few weeks then BOOM!

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