Super Moderator stuba Posted November 3, 2008 Super Moderator Share Posted November 3, 2008 I was just watching tilt again a while ago. its not hard to spot that cameron silver (programmer on SWE1) is an aussie. i googled him and he moved from oz in 1995 to work for williams. does anyone know what happened to him after williams pinball closed down? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pinballer Posted November 3, 2008 Share Posted November 3, 2008 He now works for Eugene Jarvis' company Raw Thrills. They produce high end driving games. Listen to Cameron Silvers TOPcast interview and he mentions working for TimeZone, then moving to the US to work for Williams..... http://www.marvin3m.com/topcast/past.php its interview number 20. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
markc Posted November 3, 2008 Share Posted November 3, 2008 I was just watching tilt again a while ago. its not hard to spot that cameron silver (programmer on SWE1) is an aussie. i googled him and he moved from oz in 1995 to work for williams. does anyone know what happened to him after williams pinball closed down? Had a good talk to Him with David from Bumper at Expo , great guys an happy to talk. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Super Moderator stuba Posted November 4, 2008 Author Super Moderator Share Posted November 4, 2008 cheers thanks Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bumper Posted November 5, 2008 Share Posted November 5, 2008 Yes, nearly went to a theme park with him for the day, but he had to cancel last minute. I wouldn't go with me either...haha. A lovely guy, very down to earth and would work again on pinball in a flash if given the opportunity. A real pinball guy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AskJacob Posted November 5, 2008 Share Posted November 5, 2008 if given the opportunity anyone? eh? eh? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guru-Choc Posted November 5, 2008 Share Posted November 5, 2008 Met him and had a chat while he worked in the TZ in Melbourne, before he went to the USA, nice guy back then, glad to see fame hasn't changed him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Super Moderator WOKA Posted November 6, 2008 Super Moderator Share Posted November 6, 2008 If he designed CV he's got to be a good bloke..! ;) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ballypinball Posted November 6, 2008 Share Posted November 6, 2008 he didn't he only did the software on the ringmaster John Popoduik Designed CV Cameron is not a designer only a software programmer Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Super Moderator WOKA Posted November 6, 2008 Super Moderator Share Posted November 6, 2008 I stand corrected..! ;) Great job on the Ring Master though..! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Strangeways Posted November 6, 2008 Share Posted November 6, 2008 According to IPDB; Cameron Silver was credited for both Software AND Design http://www.ipdb.org/search.pl?any=circus+voltaire&search=Search+Database&searchtype=quick Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pinballer Posted November 6, 2008 Share Posted November 6, 2008 Cameron said himself in the TOPcast interview that he had major input to the design of CV. He went onto say that John Popoduik encouraged his team to be involved in the design process. Cameron also programed the game software package for CV, including the brilliant HOME rom, 2.0H. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Strangeways Posted November 6, 2008 Share Posted November 6, 2008 Cameron said himself in the TOPcast interview that he had major input to the design of CV. He went onto say that John Popoduik encouraged his team to be involved in the design process. Cameron also programed the game software package for CV, including the brilliant HOME rom, 2.0H. Damn - I missed that part... Thanks for reminding me ! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pinnies4me Posted November 6, 2008 Share Posted November 6, 2008 Damn - I missed that part... Thanks for reminding me ! "Well as usual you don’t know what you’re talking about" LoL ! I think you got this right as usual too Nino! :) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ballypinball Posted November 6, 2008 Share Posted November 6, 2008 Well the source code notes show exactly what he did and didn't do on the programming. Also when he applied for a job with us, it was clear he did not do all the software and clear he did not design the game. Regardless of what the IPBD states. If you listen to many other Topcast shows the IPBD is not accurate. Thats for letting me know who did the Home rom, as he should not have source code in his possession as he is no longer an employee of WMS. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pinball-fixer Posted November 6, 2008 Share Posted November 6, 2008 Well the source code notes show exactly what he did and didn't do on the programming. Also when he applied for a job with us, it was clear he did not do all the software and clear he did not design the game. Regardless of what the IPBD states. If you listen to many other Topcast shows the IPBD is not accurate. Thats for letting me know who did the Home rom, as he should not have source code in his possession as he is no longer an employee of WMS. Do you actually mean IPDB not IPBD? And who said that Cameron Silver actually has the source code in his possession??? Creating the new version (2.0H), and actually having possession of the source code are 2 different things. If you have the code, then would you release the binary version to the public via pinball.com for everyone who owns a CV to be able to program a new ROM with this version? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ballypinball Posted November 6, 2008 Share Posted November 6, 2008 The only way the rom would have been changed and created was using the source code. You must have rocks in your head if we would allow the source code out in public for people to play with. Thats what cost us a fortune the rights to the code. PS Software Design and Game Design are too Different ThingsThe APPLE system. * ;* * ;* Advanced * ;* Pinball * ;* Programming * ;* Logic * ;* Executive * ;* * ;* Copyright © 1990, 1989 Williams Electronics Games Inc. * ;* All Rights Reserved * ;* * ;******************************************************************************* ;* * ;* CIRQUS VOLTAIRE * ;* --------------- * ;* * ;* Design: John Popaduik * ;* Software Design: Cameron Silver * ;* * ;* Software start (New Apple): 19/August/1996 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Railways Posted November 6, 2008 Share Posted November 6, 2008 Aaaaahhh!!:( Yet another interesting thread shot down in flames of controversy:rolleyes Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pinball-fixer Posted November 6, 2008 Share Posted November 6, 2008 The only way the rom would have been changed and created was using the source code. You must have rocks in your head if we would allow the source code out in public for people to play with. Thats what cost us a fortune the rights to the code. PS Software Design and Game Design are too Different ThingsThe APPLE system. * ;* * ;* Advanced * ;* Pinball * ;* Programming * ;* Logic * ;* Executive * ;* * ;* Copyright © 1990, 1989 Williams Electronics Games Inc. * ;* All Rights Reserved * ;* * ;******************************************************************************* ;* * ;* CIRQUS VOLTAIRE * ;* --------------- * ;* * ;* Design: John Popaduik * ;* Software Design: Cameron Silver * ;* * ;* Software start (New Apple): 19/August/1996 Rocks in my head?? Do you not understand the difference between "source code" and "binary code"?? Let me explain it for you... "Source Code" is written in a Quasi-English programming language. In this case the "APPLE system". When you program a system, you use the programming language to program the system to do what you want it to do, and using this Quasi-English language makes it much easier to program the system to perform as you want it to without having to use "Assembly Code" to manipulate the machine. This language is far easier to learn for us humans as it resembles English in a computer sort of way. "Binary Code" is what is compiled from the "Source Code" to program into the ROM to make the system work. Binary code is the 1's and 0's that make the machine work, and is what the processor understands. This is how ALL pinball machines work and is the code that is inside their ROM's. The code that you have available on your site for Williams/Bally pinballs is the "Binary Code" for these machines. All I was asking is would you allow this code to be available to the masses like you do the other codes?? Not the "Source Code", as I do understand Intellectual Property, the "Binary Code" that can be programmed onto a ROM. By the way, your quote of the source code does clearly state that Cameron Silver did indeed program the code for CV, yet you said previously that he did not do all of it. doesn't this show that he was at least the lead software designer??? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
markc Posted November 6, 2008 Share Posted November 6, 2008 wheres Big Damien when you need him please contact Cameron and see if he could pop in here and confirm this. if you dont see this tonight I will call you tomorrow and post a reply once speaking to you . why do all pinball threads end up like this' lets just find the truth out mark Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Railways Posted November 6, 2008 Share Posted November 6, 2008 Repeating myself from earlier post - flames of controversy yet again:rolleyes Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
markc Posted November 6, 2008 Share Posted November 6, 2008 Repeating myself from earlier post - flames of controversy yet again:rolleyes you can put this in most pinball threads when answers are different and people have 2 different TRUTHS. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Railways Posted November 6, 2008 Share Posted November 6, 2008 you can put this in most pinball threads when answers are different and people have 2 different TRUTHS.Yep, it's all in the interpretation!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
markc Posted November 6, 2008 Share Posted November 6, 2008 Yep, it's all in the interpretation!! Very true mate Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pinballer Posted November 6, 2008 Share Posted November 6, 2008 There is no secret to the Home ROM at all. Cameron himself states in the TOPcast interview that he wrote that code in his spare time whilst STILL working for WMS, after the pinball divison shutdown, as he remained a employee for sometime after WMS closed the pinball doors. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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