Ando77 Posted November 2, 2007 Share Posted November 2, 2007 Some of you guys know I had a whinge about falling/Low Pin prices in the Brisbane container import Syndicate. as I am a collector I got the shits because it seems Australia is getting flooded with Sub Standard Euro Trash ( ok i know i will cop shit from that statement) but it seems true. and ok I know most units come from the same Factory Made in USA But Aussie DEL is Aussie DEL (there Are Tell Tale differences you Know) Coin doors , Transformers,Software,Manuals, etc ,etc PiN prices are at an all time low (how long will it last?) how are some crew importing Containers & making a dollar? What are they fckn giving PINS away OS? Is it a good idea to Flood OZ? Can it be worth it? Where Will Prices Go??? from a Collectors POV................ & Fussy Prick at That! Are these units Good Value? As Pauline would say, Please explain!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Playwell Posted November 2, 2007 Share Posted November 2, 2007 Well I'm open to more opportunities. Not all are substandard. Just be careful who you deal with.;) There are good people who import machines & service them to a standard. There are people who import & move them on as "working":rolleyes Just be careful! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
silverball Posted November 2, 2007 Share Posted November 2, 2007 Maybe prices are'nt falling but getting closer to what they are worth overseas. Just check the private sale prices of pinnies outside of oz and you will realize that we are paying too much in the first place. How many machines would be exported from here? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LOTR4U Posted November 2, 2007 Share Posted November 2, 2007 The ass is falling out of the mid to low range pins from what I can see. You are correct tho, to many ash tray beatup pinnys coming in. :x Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gottman Posted November 2, 2007 Share Posted November 2, 2007 All pins are import pins ! Whether they come to Australia or go to Europe they are all exported out of the states..... IMHO, the way i see it is that most collectors wouldn't have an IJ or TZ or MM or CV ( you get the pic ) if they were not imported from Europe....very few of these titles were Australian delivered and importing from the States, well we all now what that can cost ! I would estimiate that 80-90 % of A grade titled pins in Australia in our collections today are imports from Europe.... One problem i see with all these import pins from Europe is that along with the A grade titles comes the D grade titles in large quantities, Wipeout, Super Mario, Striker Extreme etc ( As Cirqus4u mentioned... "The ass is falling out of the mid to low range pins from what I can see." ) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dean Morgan Posted November 2, 2007 Share Posted November 2, 2007 I agree the price of Pins in Aus is high. Just look at what they go for on EBAY in the US? The other problem is the amount of pins that were brought and are being brought into the country. This will eventually see the cost of pins in Australia plummet. Lets face it, I luv pinball, but im 43 years old. I have three tennage kids whom rarely touch my machines. They preffer xbox and video games. When all the old guys like me start off-loading when we are older or dead, supply will far outweigh demand in Aus and they will drop $$ substansially. Just pure economics of supply and demand. Thats my opinion.;) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Ando77 Posted November 3, 2007 Author Share Posted November 3, 2007 Thanks for your comments guys, It is good to hear a different POV, I can be a bit narrow minded at times:( and I appreciate the repro parts coming through, Thanks Wayne :D Cheers Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LOTR4U Posted November 3, 2007 Share Posted November 3, 2007 I have been told that the supply on pinball is set to dry up shortly. Maybe true maybe incorrect. :unsure but dam how many machine can be out there? :unsure Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Super Moderator WOKA Posted November 3, 2007 Super Moderator Share Posted November 3, 2007 I have been told that the supply on pinball is set to dry up shortly. Maybe true maybe incorrect. :unsure but dam how many machine can be out there? :unsure Can't be true, what goes around comes around.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LOTR4U Posted November 3, 2007 Share Posted November 3, 2007 Can't be true, what goes around comes around.. No I wouldn't be so quick to dismiss. What I am talking about is the importing scene. Do you think they grow on tress over seas? No, its from ops shutting up shop or changing to newer machine etc etc. Could be possible, don't know. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fish Tales Posted March 21, 2010 Share Posted March 21, 2010 Two year old thread, and seems we are feeling the effects of the container pin flood right now! Prices, and availability have never been better. I wonder if the OP still feels the same :cool: BTW I love my euro-trash Dr Who :) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
narf_ Posted March 21, 2010 Share Posted March 21, 2010 i got my italian BOP love the bitch. nothing beats the mrs having a go and me showing her how to play :cool: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
knight76 Posted March 21, 2010 Share Posted March 21, 2010 I think like everything it moves in cycles. Interesting to read that the supply was set to dry up two years ago but here we are, still container load after container load coming in. Obviously there is not an endless supply of machines to import so over time, certain machines will be harder to find in container loads, and maybe the ones that do come in are going to be more worn etc? But one thing is for sure, without the efforts of everyone who imports these pins to Australia, whether they be commercial guys or just a home collector importing a one off machine, we as a country end up with a higher selection of quality pins. These pins will be traded like any other commodity and this means we as collectors get a better selection of pins to choose from. No such thing as Euro trash, but there sure are some Euro treasures. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Redback Posted March 21, 2010 Share Posted March 21, 2010 I've notice recently that some collectors are now buying NIB sterns. Others are selling previous machines for the NIB ones. So what I refer to as the wealthly are getting their new LOTR and not competing in the bidding for previous titles is helping lower prices. That and the flood of new ones coming in. Yes I will probably never get close to what I paid for my Shadow, however a few other pins now seem to be priced at a point where I'll get them passed the boss. Red ps. Yes I'd like a NIB Stern too Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shootar75 Posted March 21, 2010 Share Posted March 21, 2010 i've bought some tidy lookin euro trash before, got some good pinnies too :) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
illawarra_steelers Posted March 21, 2010 Share Posted March 21, 2010 Yep, prices have fallen but they seem to be levelling out to what the rest of the World is at and has been for some time now. My only concern is there are just so many games out there and where will it all end? There can be so many containers come into Australia before games start to be too expensive to import. :unsure The EM market market has totally died in the arse - and it's not like there are hundreds of games on the market right now, can't figure it out. Then the actually cost of living has gone through the roof recently, there are mortgage interest rates rises and lets face it pinballs are a luxury item. Would be hating to get into the hobby in 2010 :confused: Being positive it's excellent to see guys like Tony at the Pinball Shed bringing in real nice titles at affordable prices :) I just don't know how all the Melbourne dealers can keep competing against one another, something has to give sooner or later :unsure Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mango Posted March 21, 2010 Share Posted March 21, 2010 My only concern is there are just so many games out there and where will it all end? There can be so many containers come into Australia before games start to be too expensive to import. :unsure Do you mean that the market price for a pin is getting too close to what it costs to import to make it not worth importing any more? I am unsure of what you meant Would be hating to get into the hobby in 2010 :confused: As someone with 0 pins but hoping to buy some cheap ones this year I am happy to see the prices fall and with more and more pins coming into the country I think collections are going to start getting full, some more people will enter the market but are those numbers going to keep up with the pins coming in? Less/same amount of buyers, more and more pins available, higher cost of living added to the mix. I think 2010 might be a good year to start collecting pins! :) I just don't know how all the Melbourne dealers can keep competing against one another, something has to give sooner or later I read on one of markc(?)'s auctions this morning that he says he has over 300 pins in stock. If you say that the average pin is $2k, thats $600k sitting there in stock. Thats alot of dead cash if those pins arnt turning over Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Railways Posted March 21, 2010 Share Posted March 21, 2010 I , like many of you guys would like to have a "stable" of keepers that you enjoy day in /day out and the odd one or two pins on the side to have a go at - tidyup and say Ok - next. Methinks the current market is great because of the flexibility in deciding "what can I play to death next". We've had a Zillion pins come into this country over the last 3 years and sure prices will plateau but shit look at the variety we now have.:)EG, an "import" in my stable and it's my fav game - Fathom Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fish Tales Posted March 21, 2010 Share Posted March 21, 2010 Our power bills are set to rise by 300 a quarter or something. The cost of living prevents me from owning more pins. I wouldnt be able to new collector in this climate. Prices have needed to fall, and I suspect they will need to fall more to sustain sales. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Super Moderator stuba Posted March 21, 2010 Super Moderator Share Posted March 21, 2010 I don't mind seeing pin prices come off a bit. It makes the hobby more affordable and is more likely to encourage new entrants. Stuff is so cheap in the US and with our currency only set to improve against the green back then prices aren't headed up anytime soon. I note Dean's comments 2 years ago and they strike a bit of a chord - I sometimes feel that no-one will be interested in 30-40 years time but if Stern can keep going then maybe there will continue to be a small following. this is then balanced by the other side when I talk to tony at the shed. he can't get his hands on enough pins at the moment - the demand seems to be huge as more and more people chase after them. whilst a few pins are going to guys on the forums there are many that go out to collectors/hobbyists/ 1st timers that are just adding something extra to their games room. demand is still strong it seems :) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mango Posted March 21, 2010 Share Posted March 21, 2010 I sometimes feel that no-one will be interested in 30-40 years time I often wonder about this with alot of things people collect, will anyone really care about stamps in 50 years time? will most people even know what they are? I think it comes down to collecting for yourself and enjoying them yourself, if the next generation doesnt take up the hobby then so be it, not much you can do apart from making sure they are exposed to it and can make up their own mind :) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ando77 Posted March 21, 2010 Author Share Posted March 21, 2010 Prices have sure have levelled out the quality of the container pins are really starting to improve as well :D Tony at the Shed is doing a great job :023: getting some good gear and selling at a reasonable price. it is interesting that Mark C is prepared to carry all that stock at top dollar ! I see prices staying stable at the moment. However as already stated, the older Pins are a finite resourse I guess future prices will be determined by supply and demand. It seems the bulk of demand is limited to Gen X correct me if I'm wrong so what will happen when us die hards are gone ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wamprat Posted March 21, 2010 Share Posted March 21, 2010 (edited) Prices have sure have levelled out the quality of the container pins are really starting to improve as well :D Tony at the Shed is doing a great job :023: getting some good gear and selling at a reasonable price. it is interesting that Mark C is prepared to carry all that stock at top dollar ! I see prices staying stable at the moment. However as already stated, the older Pins are a finite resourse I guess future prices will be determined by supply and demand. It seems the bulk of demand is limited to Gen X correct me if I'm wrong so what will happen when us die hards are gone ? As a first time pin buyer( still looking for the right 1st machine) I woud not like pin prices to creep too high to keep me out of the market but I am realistic about paying good dollars for a great machine. I sent a few fair offers to Mark c on a few different machines, well i thought they were good offers. i haven't heard back. I don't think most of the bigger operators are going to go below thier top dollar unless they absolutley have to. I was always looking at 90's dmd pins but find it hard to find right pin at right price at right time so now I am also starting to look at nib. Edited March 22, 2010 by wamprat Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fridgejam Posted March 21, 2010 Share Posted March 21, 2010 It seams around the time of the rise of the Aussie dollar to 0.90+against the US a few months back, most of regular importers and quiet a few individuals took advantage of this and imported container loads of pins. The result - the market is flooded right now with imported pins. I was one of the individuals who imported a small container load, and I can tell you in this current market the costs of importing and servicing these machines has become a break even exercise at best. Luckily myself and my pinball tech partner weren't really in this for the money, so it is not the end of the world. I imagine it is a different story for people and companies that need to see a reasonable profit to justify importing. This is sure to have an effect on supply and demand, and as a result I would expect less machines will be coming into the country over the next 6 months. A lack of supply will most probably drive the market back up again, so I would say take advantage of the current prices while you can! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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