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    Hi all, was going to wait till i got to Pinfest to see what it's all about and pick some brains.
    However, i think that having some basic knowledge first is going to help me have a proper discussion about it as i know bugger all so far. I don't even know what a mame is.

    My interest is in using it to try tables that i may be interested in or don't have rather than it being my one in all pinball machine. I do know from reading a post here and there that a home built machine with proper solenoids etc is going to be a much better machine and i don't have the time, skills or energy to build one, but don't know what i am after or what the price ranges should be.

    If someone can point me to some threads (must have been discussed before) where i can start my study it would be welcomed.

    Saw this so thought it a good time to ask.

    https://www.facebook.com/groups/1509...70304813278041
    In; Deadpool, The Hobbit, Whirlwind, Genie, Lost World, Hurricane, Pinball Magic, Royal Flush,
    Tommy, Spy Hunter, Orbit 1, Sorcerer, Tales from The Crypt, Houdini, Flash, Street Fighter 2.
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  • #2
    EDIT: Not worth stirring shit, someone else can if they wish.

    The link you posted is a build by a company that does not have a good rep on here. If you do buy one of those, you'd want to check very carefully that everything works as advertised.

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    • #3
      Ok, i'm not interested in buying, but thanks for the heads up. Sure i would have found out if i researched them if i was interested.

      I'm after a conversation and some links to start learning about what these machines are all about.

      I'm positive if i do buy one it's more than likely going to built by someone here.
      In; Deadpool, The Hobbit, Whirlwind, Genie, Lost World, Hurricane, Pinball Magic, Royal Flush,
      Tommy, Spy Hunter, Orbit 1, Sorcerer, Tales from The Crypt, Houdini, Flash, Street Fighter 2.
      Looking for;
      Space Invaders, Ripleys Believe It or Not.

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      • #4
        Originally posted by punkin View Post
        Hi all, was going to wait till i got to Pinfest to see what it's all about and pick some brains.
        However, i think that having some basic knowledge first is going to help me have a proper discussion about it as i know bugger all so far. I don't even know what a mame is.

        My interest is in using it to try tables that i may be interested in or don't have rather than it being my one in all pinball machine. I do know from reading a post here and there that a home built machine with proper solenoids etc is going to be a much better machine and i don't have the time, skills or energy to build one, but don't know what i am after or what the price ranges should be.

        If someone can point me to some threads (must have been discussed before) where i can start my study it would be welcomed.

        Saw this so thought it a good time to ask.

        https://www.facebook.com/groups/1509...70304813278041


        M.A.M.E. = Multiple Arcade Machine Emulator = Emulator upon which you can run ROMs from a file of the original video game ROM.

        PinMAME = As above, but for running Pinball ROMs as a file in a virtual environment, either for Virtual Pinball or for real pinballs as an alternative to the OEM hardware. The latter it seems has become somewhat redundant with the rise of such things as Rottendog, Altek, Pascal and P-roc.

        Could well be less than 100% correct, but that is the way I understand it. I got into pinball through Virtual Pinball, but after finding my first real Pin I never could handle going back. My VP stuff is long since gone, and I couldn't even give it away. I don't miss it at all, it simply is not like pinball, the ball is Not wild .... to me just a glorified video game nowdays. However, it still has it's place, more for some than others. Individual preference.

        Imho watching gameplay videos of a game that interests you is probably as useful as trying it on VP, watching vids actually I think is More useful. But playing the real pin somewhere will always give the best indication.

        Having said all that, if you like the feel of virtual when you try it somewhere, might as well go for it.

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        • #5
          I think retro play have some good virtual machines from what I have noticed . Has anyone ever tried these


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          • #6
            Originally posted by razorsedge View Post
            M.A.M.E. = Multiple Arcade Machine Emulator = Emulator upon which you can run ROMs from a file of the original video game ROM.

            PinMAME = As above, but for running Pinball ROMs as a file in a virtual environment, either for Virtual Pinball or for real pinballs as an alternative to the OEM hardware. The latter it seems has become somewhat redundant with the rise of such things as Rottendog, Altek, Pascal and P-roc.

            Could well be less than 100% correct, but that is the way I understand it. I got into pinball through Virtual Pinball, but after finding my first real Pin I never could handle going back. My VP stuff is long since gone, and I couldn't even give it away. I don't miss it at all, it simply is not like pinball, the ball is Not wild .... to me just a glorified video game nowdays. However, it still has it's place, more for some than others. Individual preference.

            Imho watching gameplay videos of a game that interests you is probably as useful as trying it on VP, watching vids actually I think is More useful. But playing the real pin somewhere will always give the best indication.

            Having said all that, if you like the feel of virtual when you try it somewhere, might as well go for it.
            Thank you mate. One of the young guys who comes to our comps plays an Ipad thingo and does most of his pinball like that, although he still plays any machine he sees.

            Good tip to watch youtube, just never done that or thought about it as i didn't see the value for that purpose until it was pointed out.

            I'll wait till i feel one, meantime any other opinions or info is always appreciated.
            In; Deadpool, The Hobbit, Whirlwind, Genie, Lost World, Hurricane, Pinball Magic, Royal Flush,
            Tommy, Spy Hunter, Orbit 1, Sorcerer, Tales from The Crypt, Houdini, Flash, Street Fighter 2.
            Looking for;
            Space Invaders, Ripleys Believe It or Not.

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            • #7
              I've had both vp and real pinballs and all i have left is my vp. Built it about 5 years ago.

              While it's true that vp can never be as good as real pinball, the latest games coming out are amazing and FREE.

              It's a steep learning curve with different apps to learn about if you want to play multi screen in a full pinball cab. But worth it. There really isn't any better way to learn real machines than being able to play absolutely anything - including the most rare machines like Krull.

              One thing i found really cool about going to my first Pinfest years ago was all the machines there I'd already played in VP. And it really helps with having a good game.

              There's a section for VP on AA where you can mine for lots of info.
              [MENTION=2066]JustAnotherRat[/MENTION] will have his vp at pinfest this year again so maybe word him up!

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              • #8
                Originally posted by punkin View Post
                Thank you mate. One of the young guys who comes to our comps plays an Ipad thingo and does most of his pinball like that, although he still plays any machine he sees.

                Good tip to watch youtube, just never done that or thought about it as i didn't see the value for that purpose until it was pointed out.

                I'll wait till i feel one, meantime any other opinions or info is always appreciated.
                Cool!

                Another way VP is good for some, is for learning rules or strategies. I can't help have the feeling though, that this could possibly counter or undermine the good it would do by getting one in a different groove (eg. on an ipad you are using different finger muscles, and what about the triceps? lol ).... might it be better to just watch PAPA tutorials at the gym?

                Anyway, all still interesting none the less. On a slight tangent (which there's another thread for) I'm thinking more and more about p3-MM ... ... .....

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                Originally posted by Jed View Post
                I've had both vp and real pinballs and all i have left is my vp. Built it about 5 years ago.

                While it's true that vp can never be as good as real pinball, the latest games coming out are amazing and FREE.

                It's a steep learning curve with different apps to learn about if you want to play multi screen in a full pinball cab. But worth it. There really isn't any better way to learn real machines than being able to play absolutely anything - including the most rare machines like Krull.

                One thing i found really cool about going to my first Pinfest years ago was all the machines there I'd already played in VP. And it really helps with having a good game.

                There's a section for VP on AA where you can mine for lots of info.
                [MENTION=2066]JustAnotherRat[/MENTION] will have his vp at pinfest this year again so maybe word him up!
                Sounds pretty cool!

                I know things have come a long way just in the 3-4 years since I was playing. I always thought it would be awesome, when I first heard of them, to have VP in your cabinet on one of those Holo Sandtable displays... 3D! That would take some crazy silicone and code to run that s#**!! . Now VR headset looks interesting as well, and only need a console that is the lockdown section of the pin? Big space savings, true VR .

                Ultimately I am drawn to physical pinball I guess because I am a mechanic and fitter/machinist. I like the mechanical things. VP is still cool, but I found it a challenge switching to and fro, and other personal preferences.

                The next few years in All things pinball is going to be pretty interesting I think... and Big.

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                • #9
                  Thanks [MENTION=5050]Jed[/MENTION] . Can you link me to the section as the terms are really confusing for me so far.

                  The pie wheel of games that would be at Pinfest got me interested i think it was like 4 or 8% of games would be virtual.

                  Have to say i'm not much good at youtube, bores me pretty quick. I don't want a virtual machine to replace my machines, just for learning.

                  I have read about the slide/nudges work somehow backwards and move the ball rather than the table and wouldn't buy a notebook to play one. Still i'm interested.

                  edit; my mate said that some of the games he plays have dodgy weak flippers etc, said he played virtual Hurricane and it was nowhere near as crisp as my machine. Is this because they are modelled on worn out machines?
                  In; Deadpool, The Hobbit, Whirlwind, Genie, Lost World, Hurricane, Pinball Magic, Royal Flush,
                  Tommy, Spy Hunter, Orbit 1, Sorcerer, Tales from The Crypt, Houdini, Flash, Street Fighter 2.
                  Looking for;
                  Space Invaders, Ripleys Believe It or Not.

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                  • #10
                    Where all knowledge begins these days
                    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Visual_Pinball


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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by razorsedge View Post
                      Now VR headset looks interesting as well, and only need a console that is the lockdown section of the pin? Big space savings, true VR .


                      https://www.aussiearcade.com/showthr...ins?highlight=

                      This will be showcased again at [MENTION=9311]Cursed[/MENTION]'s meet in November in Melbourne if you're in the area and interested .
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                      - I'm not superstitious... just a little stitious

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                      • #12
                        No i'm a long way from Melbourne.
                        In; Deadpool, The Hobbit, Whirlwind, Genie, Lost World, Hurricane, Pinball Magic, Royal Flush,
                        Tommy, Spy Hunter, Orbit 1, Sorcerer, Tales from The Crypt, Houdini, Flash, Street Fighter 2.
                        Looking for;
                        Space Invaders, Ripleys Believe It or Not.

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                        • #13
                          Have you seen?


                          And this forum?
                          https://www.vpforums.org/

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                          • #14
                            Since [MENTION=5050]Jed[/MENTION] mentioned me I'll chime in.

                            As Jed said, the VP section of Aussie Arcade could answer heaps of your questions and also as he said, I'll have my Virtual Pinball at Pinfest so I'll be happy to chat to you there if you like.

                            My VP isn't as fancy as others so it'll give you an idea of a pretty basic (but I think nice looking) build. I only have a 1080p playfield not 4K like many others these days. I don't have DOF like others do with solenoids etc. firing, I have exciter speakers (used to be known as Poor Man's DOF but is now called SSF (Surround Sounds Feedback)).

                            I enjoy playing VP, I love real pinball but I can lose myself playing VP and essentially forget that it's VP and lose myself into the game. Some say they can't but usually do if they give it a couple of games. People talk of the flipper lag, but on a decent build there is very little there.
                            [MENTION=8741]Dedrok[/MENTION] might like to chime in with some of his thoughts so I won't speak on his behalf but his input is definitely worth listening to.

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                            • #15
                              Oh one other thing. The make up of Pinfest's virtual pinball's will be mine and a couple of Arcooda's from Highway Entertainment. They'll have Pinball FX and Pinball Arcade most likely with VR on Pinball FX.

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