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    do death saves damage your machine?

    well as the title suggests do death saves damage your machine? i my self don't think so, nothing more satisfying than the death save if you can pull it off whilst not setting off the tilt. i'm aware that it's an illegal move in any comp , did a great one yesterday on flintstones much to [MENTION=8457]Jesder[/MENTION] 's amazement & its fitted with anti guard rails

    I don't believe it causes any damage but others may have other ideas ?

    #2
    Not sure if it causes damage but if you have tilt loose enough to do a death save and keep playing its probably a bit too loose.

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      #3
      It depends heavily on what kind of floor surface and what kind of fluff people have fitted to their leg levelers.

      Eg.

      Synthetic hard floating floor with standard leg levelers : minimal damage (since stresses are significantly reduced and machine can slide more freely)

      Carpet with rubber feet over levelers : Extreme grip. Attempt a death save and rip the corner out of your new stern.

      Those are merely examples. But it's all about resistance....

      Of course lightweight machines like sterns can be "lifted" at the front fairly easy, but in the carpet example this saves the front corners of cabinet but still stresses heavily on the back legs as the machine lurches sideways on direction and the grippy back legs cant move. Crack.

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          #5
          probably wrecks the floor ,not the machine. might be good for the player doing it ,but if your playing next to someone that does it ,it puts you write off.makes me quite angry like people lifting it on to legs in anger after the ball has drained.

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            #6
            It depends on whether the corner join in the cabinet is coming apart. On some machines I've seen, a death save would make the cabinet fall apart!

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              #7
              Originally posted by ocyen View Post
              It depends on whether the corner join in the cabinet is coming apart. On some machines I've seen, a death save would make the cabinet fall apart!
              I would speculate that the cabinet corner did not start "coming apart" all by itself... it would have needed encouragment. This is a kind of damage (machine abuse) that often happens incrimentally, little bits at a time, until one day it becomes too noticable. Pinball machines will take alot of punishment and not sustain major damage. Deathsaves though are uncalled for and destructive. Even when the floor is less grippy.

              We have peoples private machines in our tourneys. I seen a death save at one of our events recently. Did not incur a tilt wtf? (yes there was "danger", but the treatment of the machine was beyond what we will accept in future) . Tilts will be getting tighter, and deathsaves will not be tolerated anymore, given the abuse peoples machines have occasionally been seen to recieve.

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                #8
                on your games, death save as much as you want

                try it on my machines, you wont be invited back

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                  #9
                  Originally posted by razorsedge View Post
                  I would speculate that the cabinet corner did not start "coming apart" all by itself... it would have needed encouragment. This is a kind of damage (machine abuse) that often happens incrimentally, little bits at a time, until one day it becomes too noticable. Pinball machines will take alot of punishment and not sustain major damage. Deathsaves though are uncalled for and destructive. Even when the floor is less grippy.

                  We have peoples private machines in our tourneys. I seen a death save at one of our events recently. Did not incur a tilt wtf? (yes there was "danger", but the treatment of the machine was beyond what we will accept in future) . Tilts will be getting tighter, and deathsaves will not be tolerated anymore, given the abuse peoples machines have occasionally been seen to recieve.
                  Yes the onus is on the owner setting the tilt where he wants it.
                  If you don't want it to happen, set your tilts tight.

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                        #12
                        Originally posted by toads View Post
                        Yes the onus is on the owner setting the tilt where he wants it.
                        If you don't want it to happen, set your tilts tight.
                        Totally agree!. Only hassle is the dumb stern thing with the excessive tiltbob debounce (the machine in question was an original AcDc premium). This meant a dethsave was performed giving only tilt warnings even though the tiltbob would have rattled around in there probably a dozen times. I guess if you own a stern you need to be happy to have your machine tossed about in tournaments?.
                        Last edited by razorsedge; 22 May 2019, 01:38 PM. Reason: typos

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                          #13
                          I play two different acca's constantly.
                          Both dont have an issue tilting very easy.

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                            #14
                            Originally posted by toads View Post
                            Yes the onus is on the owner setting the tilt where he wants it.
                            If you don't want it to happen, set your tilts tight.

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                              #15
                              Originally posted by toads View Post
                              I play two different acca's constantly.
                              Both dont have an issue tilting very easy.
                              Yes the tilt bob was reasonably tight and people were tilting the game (without deathsaving) ... yet still the deathsave in question got 2 dangers, and then carry on playing without a tilt...

                              Credit for a level of skill in some ways, but the ball should have been over.

                              We'll have to change something.

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