Silenced, Demonised and Disappeared People of Influence

[razorsedge]

The list is hundreds long and getting longer every day. Almost like people won't notice until there is nobody left to cancel, or their fave celebrity becomes demonised or .... something or other...

This started during debate about future in another thread by danny_galaga , interesting thread!

I consider things. There is sooo much nonsense out there nowdays.

Broad questions, sorry. we moved to a new new topic here. This vid made comments on transport among other things, however some do find mainstream grapevine more trustworthy and sensible. I don't see how that is myself, however every individual has their own unique set of views.


What are some of yours?

What do you question?

Why?

[danny_galaga]

Meh, I'm as likely to listen to Glen Beck as I am to Andrew Bolt. They are in the same league 😄

[razorsedge]

Meh, I'm as likely to listen to Glen Beck as I am to Andrew Bolt. They are in the same league 😄

I might tend to agree, except I don't agree with identity politics. This is because it is how a "whistleblower" could be (and often is) falsely discredited in this day and age.

The argument of ignoring what someone has to share based on hearsay, well it's a snake eats it's tail situation. Unfortunately it is necesary to hear what the "grifters" might say in order to actually understand.

No story or source is 100% correct nor 100% incorrect. Crooks do rely on everyone believing their demonising and slander of people attempting to expose corruption. I just had to stop taking the advice and hearsay from crooks.

Unfortunately it means putting up with a proportion of rubbish, but people can still find things hidden within that do explain some things. Some things that do add up, sometimes.

Instead of heeding the "view" fake journalists giving skewed "opinions" about what someone says, out of context and/or plain wrong "quoting", misrepresentation, to know what someone means by what they say, in context and not misrepresented by crooked MSM ... there is only one way, to listen to what the actual story, and what the person, says.

I certainly would not say Andrew Bolt and Glen Beck are the same. Except that they are both slandered and falsely discredited alot, by the super honest MSM. Doesn't mean they are always right either.

Be careful what you ignore. Asking questions about stuff that does not add up is a good thing.

Here is proof of what MSM does to people whom try to bring to light Real Issues and Facts that might cost the system some money and power:

So that is the full story from the horses mouth, as a prime example of how things really work. If it is TLDR for some people, that is what it is. But the fact is, if one does not consider what the actual person actually says and means... one is inarguably misinformed. Unfortunate, time consuming, but true.

Which bits of Glen Beck do you disagree with? . I know I disagree with some bits, but also can only agree with some other bits. I know everybody including mysel is Wrong about some stuff. That is why anyone Should want to learn more and Ask More Questions. Otherwise to just keep learning NOTHING.

Not really is so absolute as people sometimes pretend. It is set up to be as confusing as possible, so that things more likely remain "covered up". People listen to rubbish and write off whistle blowers, by "testimony" of crooks. How much sense does that make? ... quite a bit I think.

I mean, look at how many different versions of history there are. They aren't all compatible. How much trust people put into "mainstream" is kinda baffling. lol

edit: also needs considering, dialectics ... which is actually a thing that goes on. For things to make much sense at all.

I don't think anyone but the Richest of Rich, excessively wealthy, will be buying any petrol or diesel powered vehicles after 2030. Just because "the system".

[danny_galaga]

Nah, U can take that Andrew Bolt and Glen Beck BS elsewhere. They just harsh my buzz. People who aren't journalists but make their money by whinging a lot while somehow appearing to be presenting news have no interest to me. If I wanna hear whinging I'll go to a bingo hall 😄

talking of history, if they are remembered at all, people like Glen and Andrew will be remembered as the 'men who talked nonsense' 🙃

[razorsedge]

Well, I'm afraid you are probably not going to like what I am going to say. It could be a bit triggering.

Only can be due because of the false history you subscribed to.

It is extreme to only consider "one source" (the "official" source). That will only lead to you remaining in a state of false "understanding". This is why free speech is essential, to consider All the info and context. To not do this is just making up your own info to suit what you believe already, at the expense of plain facts, which are then obviously never known. Doesn't make for learning or smart people at all, your philosophy of ignoring based on dubious "advice" . Make up your own mind from the horses mouth mate.

With all due respect, the information all shows you got it mostly backwards there to be honest with you. But it takes being ignorant about things, and swallowing crap that makes absolutely no sense, to get to such a point.

I can honestly understand being in denial of obvious but shocking stuff. Pretending things are just made up is so much easier in the present. Reality is a pain, really. Lol

Has Motive been considered there?

[razorsedge]

talking of history, if they are remembered at all, people like Glen and Andrew will be remembered as the 'men who talked nonsense' 🙃

This can only happen because of the deleting and changing of history.

As is going on presently in US, where newspapers are in fact editing 6 year old news stories so that they "come into line" with the woke fascist regime. Under the guise of something else I guess, according to the blind one eyed stickler MSM followers I would assume...

This is not something new. But, if people open their eyes an not be so ignorant it really is quite blatant, obvious, and provable.

This is why your "favourites" there so often dissapear, die mysteriously, or start talking the "right" way... because they simply speak for good and against imorality, exposing big crimes.

People should not trust blindly what people say about other people, especially when they have no idea, and are clearly biased. Instead, hear about what the person actually says/thinks, directly from the person. That is the moral approach, rather that trust the grapevine. Sad that so many don't get basic investigative principles, or what learning actually means.

MSM are the king gaslighters. Sad part is how so many people, even pretty smart people, fall for the job lot hook line and sinker.

Sorry mate, I don't want to drift from your topic any further. Was just trying to point out and comment on that there are many folds more volumes of information out there than the pure mush that most people blindly consume. That is the reality.

Also, no body of "work" is 100% bullcrap, nor is any body 100% correct.

In the grand scheme of things any one person knows very little. Also wrong about lots of things. Me included. Denying that is a losing argument.

This applies to GB, AB, MSM ... and everyone else, just the same. Ignoring varying information of relevance, not willing to learn anything outside of some echo chamber one finds themselves within in forming a view, is quite naive really.

The past and how things really unfold eventually shows whom is on the ball. Still depends which re-written versions of history you consider or ignore, though. We find nothing by not looking. Before something can be written off or set aside, it does certainly need to be considered. Can't consider anything using easy ignorance.

[danny_galaga]

Sorry Razor, you are on a different plane of existence to most people here. Like Mork perhaps. Could you take your conspiracy theories and start your own thread please?

[razorsedge]

Nah mate. I wouldn't hold anything against you.


Most is a bit of a stretch on your part there though. Most is either ignorant or plain oblivious. You're entitled to your preferred M.O. of course, just don't complain later about where it leads to man!

Learning things doesn't come from ignorance, or following a single line or repeated nonsence. That is a pretty silly approach that prevents you learning anything of real substance, or new. One of a multiplex of possible human conditions.

Try to understand some prtion of what this MSM slandered multiple PHD is saying...

Assasination failed. Seems alot like somewhere some people really wanted him dead. It didn't work, thankfully.

Whichever way, try to keep calm hey!

[danny_galaga]

Here is my last reply for you- questioning everything, all the time doesn't make you Galileo Galilee. It just makes you one step closer to paranoid schizophrenia than most of us. Maybe black is white, maybe up is down, maybe the earth is flat, maybe no one has ever been to the moon, maybe maybe maybe. Maybe there are thousands of people more qualified to answer those questions than you or I. So there's really no point questioning EVERY.SINGLE.THING.ALL.OF.THE.TIME.
ok, let's pretend the Illuminati are covering up the fact the world is flat or whatever it is you believe. How will it actually make your day to day life any different?

The psychology of conspiracy belief is simple- you feel like you have no control, but that can be explained by this secret thing you know that everyone else is too ignorant to see. Only YOU can see it, if only people would listen.

I've had two friends fall victim to paranoid schizophrenia. The symptoms are clear, especially in retrospect. The smarter of my two friends was too smart for his own good. CIA conspiracies abounded. I lost track of him and I wouldn't be surprised if he is dead. The guy that ostensibly wasn't as smart recognised something was wrong and checked himself into hospital.

I suggest staying off the hooch as a start.

[razorsedge]

Mate I'm not your enemy, why the vitriol?

One thing the last 12 months has done is trigger huge bunches of sheople. It isn't really their fault, just need some help surviving. Same token cant help a skittish bolting sheep that just wants to jump off the cliff. Sad to say.

Cheer up man things aren't that bad as what your fave pop media says. Thing is, can't help anyone whom doesn't want to know or learn anything.

[danny_galaga]

Mate I'm not your enemy, why the vitriol?

One thing the last 12 months has done is trigger huge bunches of sheople. It isn't really their fault, just need some help surviving. Same token cant help a skittish bolting sheep that just wants to jump off the cliff. Sad to say.

Cheer up man things aren't that bad as what your fave pop media says. Thing is, can't help anyone whom doesn't want to know or learn anything.

The psychology of conspiracy belief is simple- you feel like you have no control, but that can be explained by this secret thing you know that everyone else is too ignorant to see. Only YOU can see it, if only people would listen.

[razorsedge]

Or, there are some real conspiracies, which are being well covered up (but never completely). It isn't really any secret. Only maybe for the ignorant.

Oh but wait, there are no such things as actual conspiracies!

Love thy neighbour.

Don't follow hearsay and the grapevine. Chinese whispers.

Don't blindly believe everything you hear.

You'll be okay man. I'm sure you are a good person at heart!

[danny_galaga]

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[razorsedge]

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They didn't miss it mate, they just got no airtime. Called strawman names to discredit, and nothing more.

You missed the real reference. The worlds top "scienticians"....

Your perspective seems extremely one eyed.

Cars that burn fossil fuels will still be produced for sale in 2030, but only for the type of people whom have big fancy boat ships. That is what matters to your question. That is my answer, weather you agree with or ignore reasons, or not.

I am sorry, and will stop triggering you to make posts without new information to consider, no reasons, no explanations, and no relevant meaning.

I do find it kind of crazy that people write off information due to their belief in blatant identifiable propoganda. That mentality isn't good at all, like people Want to be dumber!??

[danny_galaga]

Ok, wouldn't a more likely scenario for a global conspiracy be that Andrew dolt and Glen Beck, who are employed by the WORLDS BIGGEST MEDIA ORGANISATION, constantly quote and talk to organisations like the Heartland Institute, who are a tobacco and oil advocacy organisation. Might not the conspiracy be that they are in the pay of fuel companies? And are trying to wring the last few billion out of their mines before the party I over? What's the bet you think that's nonsense.