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    G'day,
    just about to build my first mame cabinet and want to know which is the best keyboard encoder.
    Looking to start of simple with 2 sticks, six or seven buttons each, 2 x player buttons, coin mech etc.
    am tossing up between keywiz max and i-pac, which is better, any other products i should know about?
    cheers,
    sav

  • #2
    i have nothing but good things to say about the i-pacs never use a key wiss
    but i have also used the tokn media kb-16 and kb-32 with no problems (they are cheaper and require some soldering) but the ipac for ease defintly...... see www.ozstick.com.au
    chris will steer you right and is very helpfull
    Last edited by Davefjedi; 17th June 2006, 07:35 PM.
    The best action is wrist action!!!!!!

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    • #3
      Hi Sav1,
      Go the I-PAC .... It has direct inputs and comes pre-configured to run with mame straight away.

      Originally posted by davefjedi
      ....i have also used the tikd media kb-16 and kb-32 with no real problems (they are cheaper and require some soldering) but the ipac for ease defintly......
      Do you mean the Token encoders? If so, I do belive they run a "matrix" system, so can be possibly susceptable to key ghosting? Correct me if wrong please.

      cya
      Smit

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      • #4
        they both have their advantages although i prefer the IPAC

        I big plus is you can use to controls and keyboard at the same time
        Novalak

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        • #5
          Hi Sav,

          I can make things even easier and set you up with a Mini-PAC and custom wiring loom that will cater for all the inputs you listed. They do exactly the same job as the I-PAC but are much more compact.

          As long as your control panel is no wider than about 700mm the wiring loom will be long enough. If it is then there's always the I-PAC instead.

          Drop me a line if you're interested. Same goes for anyone else reading this - I will be offering them for sale "officially" via our website in about 6-8 weeks.

          Cheers,
          Chris
          www.ozstick.com.au

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          • #6
            Originally posted by thesmit
            Hi Sav1,
            Go the I-PAC .... It has direct inputs and comes pre-configured to run with mame straight away.



            Do you mean the Token encoders? If so, I do belive they run a "matrix" system, so can be possibly susceptable to key ghosting? Correct me if wrong please.

            cya
            Smit
            yeah they used to ghost but now they haveonboard or ship with resistor/dide thingys to prevent that but i only use the kb=16 and at 24.00 australian delivered to my door in under a week from the usa !!!!!!!!! but for any bigger jobs when i need more than 16 inputs defintly go the I-Pac for no hassle no soldering
            The best action is wrist action!!!!!!

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            • #7
              Chris,
              just checked out the specs of the mini-pac, looks pretty impressive.
              check your pm.
              cheers,
              sav

              Originally posted by OzStick
              Hi Sav,

              I can make things even easier and set you up with a Mini-PAC and custom wiring loom that will cater for all the inputs you listed. They do exactly the same job as the I-PAC but are much more compact.

              As long as your control panel is no wider than about 700mm the wiring loom will be long enough. If it is then there's always the I-PAC instead.

              Drop me a line if you're interested. Same goes for anyone else reading this - I will be offering them for sale "officially" via our website in about 6-8 weeks.

              Cheers,
              Chris

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              • #8
                Originally posted by davefjedi
                yeah they used to ghost but now they haveonboard or ship with resistor/dide thingys to prevent that but i only use the kb=16 and at 24.00 australian delivered to my door in under a week from the usa !!!!!!!!! but for any bigger jobs when i need more than 16 inputs defintly go the I-Pac for no hassle no soldering
                $24 delivered sounds good... might have to check them out..
                Where do ya get them from, Dave?

                Smit

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                • #9
                  i just watch his auctions for the Kb-16`s the 32`s are too mucc and you need to solder them
                  http://cgi.ebay.com.au/ws/eBayISAPI....RFB%3AIID&rd=1
                  The best action is wrist action!!!!!!

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                  • #10
                    Go for the I-PAC or MINI-PAC, they have all the inputs you will need, they are easy to set-up and very reliable (I have used about 150 of them and none have failed in-service). Plus if you buy through Ozstick you have the security of buying from a trusted Australian supplier with support.

                    Forget about the KB-16s, they only have 16 inputs and according to your first post you need at least 25.

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                    • #11
                      Hmm, well although i have downloaded the IPAC utility to help with layout design, i have no experience with anything except now i have bought an X-Arcade set of 20 buttons from ebay - $30AU, 2 X-Arcade Joysticks for $30AU and same for the X-Arcade control board (PCB) - $110AU, i've also bought a 3" red translucent Trackball kit (3 button support) with mounting plate by HAPP from ebay for - $158AU

                      so over $300 for my control panel!, the trackball turned out to be much larger than i thought, but anyway this is what i am working with... i'll let you know how i go, ho cheap did you say you could get a keyboard emulator for controls? $20? am i paying way too much or something?

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                      • #12
                        G'day fuzzmeister,



                        Welcome and enjoy the forums, and cheers for contributing and making Aussie Arcade a great source of game related information.

                        Enjoy!
                        Ian
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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by sav1
                          am tossing up between keywiz max and i-pac, which is better
                          iPac Pros:
                          no ghosting
                          auto keyboard passthrough
                          pre-programmed for MAME, plus can be custom programmed (and remembers programming afert power off)

                          iPac cons:
                          "shift" key cannot be turned off. This results in whatever key you've assigned "shift" to to not respond on the key press, but instead when you let go of the key. Also if your cab is around notorious button mashers (wife, kids, etc), they often press the shift key (defaults to player 1 start) and another keypress which does silly things. For instance: when my missus dies ingame, she'll mash 1P start and wiggle the joystick, causing MAME to pause, volumes to change, etc. Very annoying. Of course, if you have some sort of function button on your CP, map the shifted key to this button. With that said, you need Windows and the programming software to do this. (AFAIK the programming software doesn't work in non-Windows systems).

                          Keywiz pros:
                          no ghosting
                          auto programmed for MAME
                          "shazaam" key (same as "shift" key on the ipac) is a dedicated key, and doesn't interfere with gameplay

                          Keywiz cons:
                          Keyboard passthrough is controlled via a manual switch. It's not auto like the iPac. If your keywiz is in a hard to reach place and you need keyboard access, this can be a royal PITA.

                          Also, the keywiz can be custom programmed ala the iPac, but will not remember the programming after power off. Software is included with the Keywiz where you can store your config to a file, and load that file on startup. But again, i'm fairly sure this supports Windows only.

                          Which is better? Neither. They are both excellent products that tackle the same problems a little differently from each other (competition is good, mmkay?). Also, both have budget versions - the iPac has the mini-Pac, and the Keywiz has the Keywiz Eco. So if you don't need all the extra features, you can get a cut down budget version for a good discount.
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                          • #14
                            The I-PAC/MINI-PAC can be programmed in any operating system, not just Windoze using the inbuilt programming utility. Just type COPY_CON_NULL <enter> at the DOS prompt then press <CTRL-ALT-P> and your in. I find this the best way to program or de-program I-PACs (I remove the shift key functions to so that random button pushing isnt a problem). Details are available on the Ultimarc web site www.ultimarc.com.

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                            • #15
                              Just to further what RetroGame said, although there is the 'shift' functionality in the I-PAC, it doesn't HAVE to be used.

                              Technically you can turn it off and by using the programming utility you can unassign shift commands from all the inputs that have them by default, so although you still have to release the P1 Start button for it to send a keystroke, no other inputs will send an alternate keystroke while it is in a held state......

                              It take a little time to get your head around, but there is more flexibility to the Ultimarc encoders than is first apparent......
                              www.ozstick.com.au

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