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Jed
8th January 2015, 02:33 PM
Allrighty I reckon it be time to start getting nominations together for VPGL3.

I know a few people have nominated tables already in different spots but just to get them all in the one place, please nominate here in this thread.

You can nominate 5 tables. For the sake of variety, please mix up your nominations in the form of EM, SS, and DMD tables.

For VPGL3 there will be 9 tables played - 3x EM, 3x SS, and 3x DMD. Each table will be played for 2 weeks. Please nominate tables that can be played in both formats ie desktop, and full screen (cabinet) styles.

I'm looking to kick off the comp by Friday the 16th January so that gives about 8 days to gather nominations.

Game on ! :cool:

Games played in VPGL1 and VPGL2 (exempt from nomination)

Abra Ca Dabra
Addams Family
Attack from Mars
Bride of Pinbot
Close Encounters
Fast Draw
Funhouse
Haunted House
Joker Poker
Jungle Queen
Lord of the Rings
Ripley's Believe it or Not
Star Trek 25th Anniversary Edition
Star Wars
Taxi
The Flintstones

Currrent Nominated Tables for VPGL3:

Big Bang Bar
Bram Stoker's Dracula
Breakshot
Centigrade 37
Congo
Cosmic Gunfight
Eight Ball Deluxe
El Dorado
Flash Gordon
Gladiators
Harlem Globe Trotters
Hot Doggin'
Hot Tip
Jacks Open
Junk Yard
Krull
Lethal Weapon 3
Medieval Madness
OXO
Road Kings
Rollergames
Scared Stiff
Skateball
STTNG
Target Alpha
Theatre of Magic
TOTAN
Tron Legacy
Whitewater
World Cup Soccer (Bally)(1994)
World Poker Tour

Dedrok
8th January 2015, 02:58 PM
Scared Stiff

TOTAN

Harlem Globe Trotters

Cosmic Gunfight

Hit the Deck

StevOz
8th January 2015, 07:57 PM
Hot Doggin'

Hot Tip..well it was an EM first time around..;)

World Cup Soccer (Bally)(1994)

Road Kings

Medieval Madness

Jed
8th January 2015, 08:01 PM
I forgot to say ... Games already played in vpgl1 and vpgl2 can't be nominated. I'll put a list of exempt games in the first post shortly.

Dedrok
9th January 2015, 02:17 AM
I forgot to say ... Games already played in vpgl1 and vpgl2 can't be nominated. I'll put a list of exempt games in the first post shortly.

Good Idea.

Also, mysteriously my cab works again, so was able to update drivers and now loads properly. Yay.

Jed
9th January 2015, 12:00 PM
Good Idea.

Also, mysteriously my cab works again, so was able to update drivers and now loads properly. Yay.

Good stuff, the Dedpin lives !

Jed
9th January 2015, 04:41 PM
I've added an exempt from nomination list in the first post.

I might change these but for now. ..

Centigrade 37 /em
Krull /ss
Flash Gordon /ss
Breakshot /dmd
Bram Stoker's Dracula /dmd

Jed
11th January 2015, 10:01 AM
I've updated the first post with the current nominations.

5 days left to nominate :)

krusto
11th January 2015, 06:15 PM
Star Trek - Next Gen

Tron Legacy

Whitewater

Eight Ball Deluxe

OXO

Jed
11th January 2015, 06:41 PM
Star Trek - Next Gen

Tron Legacy

Whitewater

Eight Ball Deluxe

OXO

Hey ! Have you been looking at my favourites list :)

Well except Tron Legacy as I still haven't got the newer Sterns working on my cab :(

krusto
11th January 2015, 07:06 PM
Hey ! Have you been looking at my favourites list :)

Well except Tron Legacy as I still haven't got the newer Sterns working on my cab :(

Star Trek may even trump my all time fav Addams Family....its close.

Tron just keeps growing on me, whats up with your cab? You have the latest .dll I suspect?

Jed
11th January 2015, 08:57 PM
Star Trek may even trump my all time fav Addams Family....its close.

Tron just keeps growing on me, whats up with your cab? You have the latest .dll I suspect?

Not sure. I just remember I tried installing it, it threw an error, and I never tried to fix it yet :)

Addams Family is good, the Gold version I find much easier - almost got three mansion tours on it, where I struggle to get one tour on the 'regular' version.

STTNG is great. the Physmod version is even better as the mode start shot up the middle is so much easier to hit.

krusto
11th January 2015, 09:02 PM
Agreed!

Gold is easier, but I prefer the rom from the original. Only ever got 2 mansions. physmod version is pretty cool.

Physmod STTNG is freakin amazing. cant play the other versions now. much harder though, my best STNNG is 26 bil, but find it hard to get over 2 bil with the physmod version. but it plays almost like the real thing

Jed
12th January 2015, 11:48 AM
OXO is a very nicely done EM, I'm also enjoying Buccaneer lately.

I think the nomination list is mostly DMD and SS so far with a sprinkle of EM's.

I wish Pinuck would reappear on the scene and finish the redo of Royal Flush he has in the WIP thread as it looks freakin' amazing.

Dedrok
12th January 2015, 03:09 PM
Jacks Open is a cracker

kane
12th January 2015, 04:38 PM
Here's a couple ->

Junk Yard

El Dorado

:023:

Jed
13th January 2015, 12:07 PM
Jacks Open is a cracker
Ah that could be the one I'm thinking of ?

Three days left for nominations.

Dedrok
13th January 2015, 01:29 PM
Ah that could be the one I'm thinking of ?

Three days left for nominations.

He did that one a couple years back.

Actually, now I think about it, change Hit the Deck to Jacks Open.

Jed
13th January 2015, 04:47 PM
Actually, now I think about it, change Hit the Deck to Jacks Open.

Done

Jed
13th January 2015, 08:19 PM
How about 2 tables run simultaneously over an 8 week period? So a pair of tables is run every two weeks.

That would make for a more focused comp I think and not so stretched out. It would providee more variety/options for people who may not be so into a certain table. Would try to make to two tables being played different genres.\

StevOz
13th January 2015, 10:28 PM
How about 2 tables run simultaneously over an 8 week period? So a pair of tables is run every two weeks.

That would make for a more focused comp I think and not so stretched out. It would providee more variety/options for people who may not be so into a certain table. Would try to make to two tables being played different genres.\

Seems like a fair call to me after all variety is the spice as they say and having the option to try one or the other when either maybe getting the better of you is a good option to have.

Jed
13th January 2015, 10:37 PM
One other thing - I thought I should try and get Tron going seeing as it has been nominated and might come up...

I am having a nightmare of a time getting it going. I think I struck this same problem before with the newer Sterns. I have the sam.vbs, I have the right cabinet .dll, I have the Tron Stern Rom, and I have renamed it to match what is in the table script. I even tried renaming the .bin file also inside the zip as I saw that suggested on vpuniverse as a solution that helped someone but nup. I am still getting the 'can't find game name' error. I have also rerun the vpinmame setup after once more copying in the cabinet.dll but still the same error.

Driving me a tiny bit nuts :mad: if anyone can suggest a solution it would be much appreciated..

Dedrok
14th January 2015, 02:37 AM
I know I have trouble with 24 and xmen slowing down and stuttering, so I can't play newer sterns on my systems.

MrBungle
14th January 2015, 10:42 AM
Target Alpha / EM
Skateball / SS
Roller Games / SS
Leathal Weapon 3 / DMD
Gladiators / DMD

Lazarus
14th January 2015, 03:41 PM
One other thing - I thought I should try and get Tron going seeing as it has been nominated and might come up...

I am having a nightmare of a time getting it going. I think I struck this same problem before with the newer Sterns. I have the sam.vbs, I have the right cabinet .dll, I have the Tron Stern Rom, and I have renamed it to match what is in the table script. I even tried renaming the .bin file also inside the zip as I saw that suggested on vpuniverse as a solution that helped someone but nup. I am still getting the 'can't find game name' error. I have also rerun the vpinmame setup after once more copying in the cabinet.dll but still the same error.

Driving me a tiny bit nuts :mad: if anyone can suggest a solution it would be much appreciated..
I can email you my Rom, script and table if you want to try that. Shoot me your details in PM.

on a side note, I'd love to be a part of this, is there some way to determine which version of the tables people are using, ie physmod or std.

kane
14th January 2015, 04:19 PM
Driving me a tiny bit nuts :mad: if anyone can suggest a solution it would be much appreciated..

I was having the same issues with StevOz' LOTR table during VPGL2, posts #27 - #31 -> http://www.aussiearcade.com/showthread.php/69559-Vpgl2-game-6-lord-of-the-rings?p=866595#post866595

Don't think I ever got it to work with the ROM I wanted, renaming in the script would never work.

Jed
14th January 2015, 04:27 PM
I can email you my Rom, script and table if you want to try that. Shoot me your details in PM.

on a side note, I'd love to be a part of this, is there some way to determine which version of the tables people are using, ie physmod or std.

That is most kind, I will shoot you a pm. Thank you.

You're most welcome to join in. In past tourneys we have not played pm5 tables... I'll stipulate in each comp table when i post it, the version, rom, and standard settings ie number of balls, extra ball settings, and try to be as detailed as I can.

Cheers
J

krusto
14th January 2015, 08:10 PM
Definitely sounds like the VPinMame Dll that is wrong.

Are you using this DLL?
https://www.dropbox.com/s/w1jdi6th4oehkxa/VPinMAME.dll?dl=0

Rom is trn_174h

Jed
14th January 2015, 09:16 PM
Thanks guys but I'm all good now I got there in the end. I really liking Tron !

Jed
15th January 2015, 09:02 AM
Last day for anyone who wants to nominate. I'll post the first two tables tomorrow.

Lazarus
15th January 2015, 09:11 AM
Congo
Machine Bride of pinbot
Theatre of Magic.

Jed
15th January 2015, 12:34 PM
Congo
Machine Bride of pinbot
Theatre of Magic.
Bride is on the exempt list, played already in previous comp. Go for another if you like, you can nominate up to 5.

Lazarus
15th January 2015, 02:38 PM
Revised List
Congo
TOM
WCS94
Big Bang Bar
World Poker Tour

All Physmod!

Jed
15th January 2015, 06:07 PM
Revised List
Congo
TOM
WCS94
Big Bang Bar
World Poker Tour

All Physmod!
Are all these available in pm5 in both desktop and full screen? If so then I don't see any problem with playing pm5 versions.

If you want to check and let me know, I'll add to the list.

Ps wcs94 already nominated. Please check first post for current nomination list :)

Lazarus
15th January 2015, 07:48 PM
I know Congo isn't PM5.

I also saw WCS94 WAS mentioned just thought I'd support the vote

krusto
15th January 2015, 08:18 PM
As many PM5 tables as possible! :cool:

So hard to play the old versions now.

StevOz
15th January 2015, 09:07 PM
Meh...as someone that actually knows the various VP builds, how they work and actually uses the editor to create new tables, I'd say it should be open to all the latest builds VP9+ and above for whatever table is nominated.

A PM5 can play better it can also be a dogs breakfast as can be said of any of the VP9+ built tables, new and shiny does not always mean better, more realistic or otherwise, especially if you know PM5 is a test build and know the actual differences...

Lazarus
15th January 2015, 09:31 PM
I'd take PM5 for most tables over any VP9+. There are the very few exceptions. I have even converted a few myself as the flipper accuracy under old VP9 is just......meh.

Dedrok
15th January 2015, 09:45 PM
Last day for anyone who wants to nominate. I'll post the first two tables tomorrow.

CruiserMan

StevOz
15th January 2015, 10:03 PM
I'd take PM5 for most tables over any VP9+. There are the very few exceptions. I have even converted a few myself as the flipper accuracy under old VP9 is just......meh.

So you infer you should have no problem competing against others using supposed 'inferior' VP9+ build releases of the same table, so why exclude that option?

Lazarus
15th January 2015, 10:18 PM
Firstly, 'inferior' is your term which has no bearing on weather a high score is more or less likely. That's not even a logical statement.
Secondly I didn't exclude VP9 as an option, again your words.

StevOz
15th January 2015, 10:45 PM
So semantics aside and me being a total dick, you have almost no objections maybe, perhaps then? :)

Lazarus
15th January 2015, 10:50 PM
Nope, none.
Whichever games are selected I'll give them a whirl.

krusto
15th January 2015, 11:01 PM
Everyone will have different pc builds, frame rates, cab vs desktop etc etc :) all in good fun.

Some of the PM5 table settings are horrible. I spend quite a while messing about with them to get a nice 'natural' feel. I have STTNG running beautifully. Having played the genuine one for years and many hundreds of games I am bloody happy with my settings! Very enjoyable.

Lazarus
15th January 2015, 11:04 PM
Would you consider Sharing some of your tuned tables? Perhaps we could/should start a new thread if enough people were I nterested in sharing...

Jed
16th January 2015, 08:10 AM
Would you consider Sharing some of your tuned tables? Perhaps we could/should start a new thread if enough people were I nterested in sharing...

This is a good idea.... post away in the main Visual Pinball forum !

On the subject of what versions of a table are played - as in VPGL1 + VPGL2, the standard, non-tweaked or tuned table should be played. Everything default. That is, no user settings or changes. The idea is to put people on as close to an even footing as possible for the same format ie desktop or Full Screen.

We haven't played PM5 tables in the past but that doesn't mean we shouldn't, I'll treat this on a table by table basis depending on what the random generator spits out of a fortnight... The idea though is to just have a bit of fun and not worry too much about it. But as in all tourneys there does needs to be some rules. so whatever you see in the table's first post - just go along with that :)

First two tables will be posted fairly shortly....

krusto
16th January 2015, 12:14 PM
Would you consider Sharing some of your tuned tables? Perhaps we could/should start a new thread if enough people were I nterested in sharing...

Roger that. I will get onto it over the weekend.

- - - Updated - - -

How many ppl have we got for VPGL3?

Worth mentioning it in a couple of other threads? In case members only look at their favourite pages?

Jed
16th January 2015, 12:34 PM
Roger that. I will get onto it over the weekend.

- - - Updated - - -

How many ppl have we got for VPGL3?

Worth mentioning it in a couple of other threads? In case members only look at their favourite pages?

Could be.. Most of the keener vpinners know about the section though. We're a small comp maybe 5-10 players max. I tried posting a thread on vpforums before VPGL2 hoping for some internationals to join in but nothing yet. It's all good though, a few or many... I find I play my vpin heaps more with a comp on which is cool.

I've random generated the first two tables but just waiting for a moderator to create a new sub forum for VPGL3...then we're off and running :)

Jed
16th January 2015, 03:33 PM
By the way anyone who hasn't nominated yet ie CruiserMan and Sulaco - nominate whenever and I will add to the list to be included for the second set of selections.

Jed
17th January 2015, 12:22 PM
So I'm not having much luck getting a moderator to create a new sub forum for me for vpgl3 yet, I'll try someone else.....

krusto
17th January 2015, 12:25 PM
Its up mate, isnt it?

Jed
17th January 2015, 12:33 PM
That's weird. It wasn't up yesterday at all then I was out all last night. Fairly hungover this morning so only just checked via tapatalk on my phone.

Anyway all good, when I get home again in about an hour I'll get the ball rolling.

JustAnotherRat
25th January 2015, 09:12 PM
Is it too late to nominate? Not a problem if it is but if not.....

Fish Tales
Cactus Canyon
Hearts and Spades
Elvis
Cirqus Voltaire

I would have said Last Action Hero but it is a physmod table so I am guessing they are out??? (and I don't know if there is a desktop version anyway).

I haven't actually confirmed that there is a desktop version of any of these tables.... I don't even care if these come up as I suck at all pinball but I would like to push myself to get better at Fish Tales (my favourite pinball just nudging out World Cup Soccer 94).

Jed
26th January 2015, 09:32 PM
Is it too late to nominate? Not a problem if it is but if not.....

Fish Tales
Cactus Canyon
Hearts and Spades
Elvis
Cirqus Voltaire

I would have said Last Action Hero but it is a physmod table so I am guessing they are out??? (and I don't know if there is a desktop version anyway).

I haven't actually confirmed that there is a desktop version of any of these tables.... I don't even care if these come up as I suck at all pinball but I would like to push myself to get better at Fish Tales (my favourite pinball just nudging out World Cup Soccer 94).
No problems I will add them to the list.