PDA

View Full Version : RC Planes - first plane.



knight76
11th March 2014, 06:39 AM
I'm looking at getting in to RC planes and having nevr flown a remote control plane I am looking at getting one of these for my first.

http://www.ebay.com.au/itm/RC-Plane-Nine-Eagles-Sky-Eagle-3CH-2-4Ghz-Cessna-RTF-/320740987228?pt=AU_Toys_Hobbies_Radio_Controlled_V ehicles&hash=item4aada7115c

It's a 3 channel so will be a little easier to control whilst I get used to the reversed controls as the plane flies towards me, it's made out of EPP body and wings so should be good for crashes, and the prop ejects on a nose first impact to save damage to the motor I guess from going in full throttle.

Thought,s would this make a good first plane?

Woody
11th March 2014, 06:58 AM
I've only flown balsa planes with nitro engines ( 4 channel) but the basics look right.

It's a high wing trainer. That's good. High wings are far more stable and fly at lower speed which is perfect for beginners. It does however appear from the photos that the 3 channels are throttle, rudder and elevator? This will make for some tough flying as it's the ailerons that "do the turning" when in flight. The rudder is for correcting yore and steering in the ground.

FLEX
11th March 2014, 08:30 AM
From experience, having only rudder and elevator does not help you learn how to fly or make it any easier. Trying to turn with only a rudder can be a real limitation and quite frustrating.

- - - Updated - - -

and also, the smaller the plane the more unstable it is (unless it is fantastic build quality, but you get what you pay for). As a beginner I would suggest going for something more along the lines of this http://www.ebay.com.au/itm/Art-tech-RC-Cessna-MK2-182-Brushless-Plane-2-4Ghz-4Channel-400-Class-Airplane-EP-/230885693501?pt=AU_Toys_Hobbies_Radio_Controlled_V ehicles&hash=item35c1dc183d I know it is double the cost but it could be the difference between a great experience and a terrible one..

Have you played any flight sim type games on console or pc (flight sims)? This helps out a lot as it gives a basic understanding of flight principles.

joele
11th March 2014, 08:39 AM
I have flown for years have plenty of planes currently flying the one below (mostly).. I personally (against many opinions at my club) believe as FLEX said you need ailerons from day one..

http://www.wiredrc.com.au/shop/electric-planes/sebart-miss-wind-50e.html

Small plane is not too bad as some of the little ones you can crash and repair easily, I had that art-tech one and it was garbage IMO.. The problem is a lot of these cheap Chinese brand planes are badly designed or will need to be balanced etc as the suggested CG (center of gravity) is often wrong.. When you are starting out working that out is adding to your learning curve..

I suggest trying a simulator like Phoenix RC as it will teach you a lot.. And a plane like the one below..

http://www.wiredrc.com.au/shop/hobbyzone-delta-ray-rtf-with-safe-technology-mode-2.html

Though I learnt with one of these, crashed a lot and can only fly in very low wind, but easy to repair with tape ;-)

http://www.wiredrc.com.au/shop/parkzone-ultra-micro-p-51d-mustang-bnf-with-as3x-technology.html

Though that is without a remote..

Depends how far you want to go? if you want to keep going buy a decent remote DX6 and a BNF plane compatible with it..

https://www.spektrumrc.com/Products/Default.aspx?ProdId=SPM6700


Any flying clubs in your area?????

Manta
11th March 2014, 03:12 PM
Hey knight I got into the hobby about 6 months ago and now 5 planes latter am hooked on it.

The first plane I started with was a P51 mustang. Steep learning curve but a good plane.

Most guys start on a blixer or other type of glider.

Hobbyking had some good starting planes, I ise only spektrum gear and have a dx6i. I am now looking for a dx9 lol

I joined a club as I got sick of flying at parks and having to dodge people, dogs etc

I fly with a club called PEMAC but a bit fair away from you.

Manta
11th March 2014, 03:18 PM
Have a look here

http://www.hobbyking.com/hobbyking/store/__1169__430__Planes_Parts-Beginner_Trainer.html


Get a PNF which means you just need a transmitter, receiver and batt


I have a esky 6 channel receiver and 4 channel transmitter somewhere which you can have if I can find it. And when you need to upgrade you can get a spektrum or fsky etc.

Also a decent charger is a good idea

This was my first plane but would recommend a high wing unless you clock up some time on a sim http://img.tapatalk.com/d/14/03/11/upameza6.jpg

knight76
11th March 2014, 05:33 PM
Have a look here

http://www.hobbyking.com/hobbyking/store/__1169__430__Planes_Parts-Beginner_Trainer.html


Get a PNF which means you just need a transmitter, receiver and batt


I have a esky 6 channel receiver and 4 channel transmitter somewhere which you can have if I can find it. And when you need to upgrade you can get a spektrum or fsky etc.

Also a decent charger is a good idea

This was my first plane but would recommend a high wing unless you clock up some time on a sim http://img.tapatalk.com/d/14/03/11/upameza6.jpg

Thanks Adam thats real generous and sounds like an offer I can't refuse.

I can use the 4 channel transmitter for a while until I can upgrade or buy my own. Can I get a BNF and will it bind with the 4 channel receiver you have? Or, would I need to by a kit and put it together using your 6ch receiver?

I have a bit of time on flight sims, though haven't done anything with any for a few years now. I think I'll start with something easier than Manta's starter plane, unless that little dude in there has a parachute. :D

To be honest I've read so much info about them over the last few days my brain is a bit melted from it all. There is a lot of info to pick up coming in to the hobby.

Manta
11th March 2014, 05:56 PM
It depends, you can always just swap the receiver.

I will go have a look and see if I can find it.

The other thing to decide on early is which mode you want. I use mode two which had the throttle on the left and elevator and ailerons on the right

Manta
11th March 2014, 06:14 PM
Found it

http://img.tapatalk.com/d/14/03/11/egabu3yd.jpg

http://img.tapatalk.com/d/14/03/11/enanejem.jpg

Manta
11th March 2014, 06:30 PM
Btw Joele, that plane is awesome

knight76
11th March 2014, 06:56 PM
That looks real good Manta thanks. I'll take it on loan and return it when I replace it.

Ill send you a PM. I'm planning to go to a hobby shop tomorrow to have a bit of a look what they have.

Mode wise, I'd be going mode 2 also. Seems to make sense that arrangement.

Manta
11th March 2014, 07:05 PM
No worries. Won't need it back 👍

knight76
11th March 2014, 08:17 PM
Thanks Adam your a champion. I'll be in contact. ;)

Has anybody bought from Hobbywarehouse.com.au? They seem to be online only and good prices with free shipping. Selling pre built planes so they generally just buy in bulk and pass them along I guess. But if there is an issue with warranty it could be a pain, though I think warranty on these things would be fairly useless beyond DOA.

Manta
11th March 2014, 08:23 PM
Yep that where I got my first plane via the eBay store. Seemed ok, overpriced for batteries etc but no real issues


If you go to hobbyking.com and click the Australian warehouse it's worth a look but yeah agree some cheap planes can have cg issues.

knight76
11th March 2014, 09:03 PM
Thanks for the heads up on the aus warehouse for hobbyking. I had checked the site before but thought they were only US based.

Looking at this one at the moment: http://hobbyking.com.au/hobbyking/store/__25780__Hobbyking_Club_Trainer_PNF_EPO_1265mm_.ht ml

It's got the high mounted wing as mentioned above for stability. Has a large wingspan compared to the sky eagle I linked to above. Just need to add the battery and charger.

Thoughts? Elastic band seems funny though.

joele
11th March 2014, 10:01 PM
Btw Joele, that plane is awesome

yeah cuts through the air and flies like it is on rails, great for pattern flying (running a Hacker motor)... Sebart make nice planes as do Hanger 9, I am not a hobbyking fan but I will leave that war alone ;-)

Also recently bought this beauty, no maiden yet been too busy to finish building it, another 6 cell plane.. pic is from their site but the guy gives some scale..

http://www.hangar-9.com/ProdInfo/Gallery/HAN4215-GAL06.jpg

My favorite fun plane, especially for park flying is still, and will probably always be, the stryker (until they upgrade it)..


www.youtube.com/embed/kb487kOCyzQ

Knight76

The BNF (hobbyzone, eflight and PArkzone) planes sold in Australia all include spektrum receivers, as Manta said you can swap the receiver or buy the PNP version which doesn't include the receiver.. Just be careful with some on the ultra micro planes and helis as swapping the receiver may not be possible as all the electrics (well most) are built onto a single board..

Good source for batteries is revolectrix (in the process of moving though so not available from their web store for a few weeks) admittedly my planes are running 6 cell so demanding but I found these a good balance between price and decent quality.


Thanks for the heads up on the aus warehouse for hobbyking. I had checked the site before but thought they were only US based.

nope, chinese made and designed planes in general (or copies of other planes done in China) run out of hong kong I believe, and run by a couple of Australian blokes..

They also distribute OrangeRX which are Spektrum compatible and a real bargain and worth looking at, now approved within clubs in Australia by the MAAA

http://hobbyking.com.au/hobbyking/store/__1117__190__Radios_Receivers-OrangeRx_Receivers_Radios_Flight_Stabilization.htm l


Looking at this one at the moment: http://hobbyking.com.au/hobbyking/store/__25780__Hobbyking_Club_Trainer_PNF_EPO_1265mm_.ht ml

Clubs are great trainers, just don't try and push it too hard ;-) rubber bands shouldn't be an issue to be honest, as I said I don't like the general build quality from HK but some people are much luckier than me (I always get the duds, lol) at their price point it is worth a shot ;-)


Mode wise, I'd be going mode 2 also. Seems to make sense that arrangement.

+1000 mode 1 is stupid, though most clubs push it here for newbies..

knight76
11th March 2014, 10:48 PM
Thanks Joele, good info.

I'm not looking to head out and buy something much more expensive than this as I could just as easily smash it in to the ground very hard, very quickly. I'd prefer something with some crashability which this seems to have, foam construction, not a very fast plane so will give me time to react to it more, 4ch so I am flying with all the control variable except for flaps but they won't be a big issue with this plane anyhow.

If I get to grips with this, and can get competent at landing safely, maneuvering safely, I can look at moving on to something else.

joele
12th March 2014, 12:04 AM
Flaps are not a big issue at all really, often more for show ;-)

FLEX
12th March 2014, 05:09 PM
Some tip's from someone who learnt the hard way ;) ;
- Make sure you do your pre flight control checks for all control surfaces making sure thy are setup correctly (not upside down for example ;)).
- On take-off, get as high as you can as quick as you can. The higher you are the more time there is to get yourself out of trouble before hitting the deck.
- Try and get your trims setup asap (or let someone experienced do this for you to start with), this way if you get into trouble you can just let go of the sticks and the plane should correct itself. With any brand new plane you can only guestimate where the control surfaces should start at, this is the trickiest part of the first run of a new plane.
- Once you start getting the hang of it practice your landings, that is come in low as if to land and then throttle up, gain altitude and try again, each time getting lower and lower until instead of accelerating you decelerate and she just drops onto the deck.
Have fun, its a great hobby and there is nothing better then a sweet landing ;) .

knight76
12th March 2014, 06:44 PM
Thanks Flex.

I am on the verge of making a decision on my first plane. I've been doing a lot of reading, watching plenty of youtube reviews and flight demo's.

I get the height you fly at is measured in mistakes. I plan to fly a few mistakes high lol.

Good tip on the coming in as if landing and then throttling away to do it again.

knight76
12th March 2014, 09:58 PM
Pretty much decided now that I am going to spend a little more and get one of these. I can't get it in PNP so will have to get it RTF. Sorry Manta looks like you will be holding on to that transmitter a bit longer. ;)

Link (http://www.ebay.com.au/itm/NEW-RC-ARES-GAMMA-370-Pro-4ch-2-4ghz-EP-BL-RTF-COMPLETE-/171259729088?pt=AU_Toys_Hobbies_Radio_Controlled_V ehicles&hash=item27dfe014c0) - Not getting it on ebay though, getting it from hobby shop so I can take it back to brick and mortar if there is any quality issue etc. And not paying 280 for it, getting it for $230

I was looking at the non pro version which is a bit cheaper with a weaker motor and no ailerons which you can buy the parts for later, but the parts cost pushes it past the cost of just buying the pro in the first place. Also given the info above about getting a 4 channel plane to start with that is the direction I am heading.

It's a good size, bigger than a micro but smaller than the larger entry level planes also, hopefully will have some durability.

I plan to watch as much youtube video as I can on handling these, and head out for my first flight just taking things very easy flying in ovals and practicing landing before I get in to anything more than that.

Q> When buying a mode 1 plane, can the receiver be switched out and then just use a mode 2 transmitter or is there more to it than that? I haven't found out if the hobby shop stock is mode 2 or not.

FLEX
13th March 2014, 03:03 AM
Good looking kit Knight!

You will need a very smooth surface (possibly smoother then a well maintained park) for takeoff, as the problem with no nose wheel is the tendency for the front wheels to grab during takeoff, with nothing stopping the prop going into the ground at full throttle.

knight76
13th March 2014, 06:44 AM
How will that affect landings though? Will it need to land on a very smooth surface also? Wouldn't want to bring it down nicely only for the front wheels to bind and flip the plane.

Could the wheels be moved further forward a bit to compensate?

FLEX
13th March 2014, 10:04 AM
Landing is not such a big issue as you have the throttle all the way back, so even if the nose does go in the prop just stops and wouldn't do any damage. Having this happen under full throttle taking off can break props and other things, or just be a general pita when trying to take off nice and controlled. I think it is a lot more important having a nice runway for take off then it is for landing due to the nature of a take off.
The front wheels on the kit you are looking at look fairly well set forward which is a good thing, just comes down to how low the grass is cut where you want to fly it. You wont really know until you get the plane and give it a go but I thought its a factor you should be aware of when choosing a place to fly.

Ford Fairlane
13th March 2014, 11:27 AM
I'll never forget this video when I decided I wanted to get into the RC plane game.. :lol

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=68WZ6PgsBhM

knight76
13th March 2014, 05:54 PM
I'll never forget this video when I decided I wanted to get into the RC plane game.. :lol

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=68WZ6PgsBhM

I wonder if he had a pilot eject channel setup on that one. :lol

- - - Updated - - -

Well a slight kink in my plans has developed!

ARES don't make the gamma 370 in mode 2 :realmad: - why is this so difficult.

So, I've gone and found another plane to buy, really like the look of this one, beautiful. Though, it's a low wing design so makes it less stable in the air I guess. Has a little pilot dude and all. It has the steering wheel up front though so should be better on grass takeoffs.

LINK (http://www.modelflight.com.au/parkzone-archer-rc-plane-rtf-mode-1.html)

Q> A kit sold as Mode 1, that comes with a dx4e which you can select modes, wouldn't that mean on the tx you can just select mode 2 and your away? I can't believe some places sell the mode 2 version for more than the mode 1.

joele
13th March 2014, 05:57 PM
Q> When buying a mode 1 plane, can the receiver be switched out and then just use a mode 2 transmitter or is there more to it than that? I haven't found out if the hobby shop stock is mode 2 or not.

The 'mode' is just the transmitter.. So if you have a compatible transmitter just change that, if the receiver is not comparable with your transmitter then swap both, but there is absolutely no difference in the plane itself..

Woody
13th March 2014, 07:48 PM
You will need to move the joysticks from one side to the other though.

Manta
14th March 2014, 05:52 PM
Yeah as I think only dx8 upwards can be reversed from menu?

Well after my maiden crash, my fw190 is ready for attempt two

http://img.tapatalk.com/d/14/03/14/pyzadesa.jpg

knight76
14th March 2014, 06:06 PM
Apparently on the dx4e you can change modes via a stick combo, and then just change over a spring to change which side auto centres.

So today I set out to find a Parkzone archer in stock, failed, got the shits and bought a Delta Ray. It's a dedicated beginner plane. Has three modes you can fly in. Beginner with reduced roll and elevator angles to stop you getting in to crash situation + it can auto take off for you and help you land and it auto levels the plane so you don't have to correct after a turn, intermediate where the flight envelop is larger, it does not auto level after turns and you take off and land manually, and expert which is all manual.

It also has a panic button where if you do happen to find yourself heading for terra firma you can hit the PB and the plane will recover and put itself back on to level flight.

Not the plane I had my heart set on, but probably the right purchase for someone who has never flown an RC before. It's bought and paid for so will see what the wind is like on Sunday for a maiden.

FLEX
14th March 2014, 07:41 PM
Apparently on the dx4e you can change modes via a stick combo, and then just change over a spring to change which side auto centres.

So today I set out to find a Parkzone archer in stock, failed, got the shits and bought a Delta Ray. It's a dedicated beginner plane. Has three modes you can fly in. Beginner with reduced roll and elevator angles to stop you getting in to crash situation + it can auto take off for you and help you land and it auto levels the plane so you don't have to correct after a turn, intermediate where the flight envelop is larger, it does not auto level after turns and you take off and land manually, and expert which is all manual.

It also has a panic button where if you do happen to find yourself heading for terra firma you can hit the PB and the plane will recover and put itself back on to level flight.

Not the plane I had my heart set on, but probably the right purchase for someone who has never flown an RC before. It's bought and paid for so will see what the wind is like on Sunday for a maiden.

For a first plane this sounds perfect. It may not be what you had in mind but it sounds like you are going to learn a hell of a lot from this one, which is the main thing when starting out. Hope the weather is good Sunday and good luck, make sure you let us know how you go :) , oh, and just remember once its in the air.. BREEETHE, and relax! :cool:

knight76
14th March 2014, 08:08 PM
Ha, breeeeethe, got it.

Here is a review of it. Skip to 5:40 to check out the flying and the use of the oops button. They fly it inverted not far off the ground and test it to see if it crashes.

http://youtu.be/gPre006a5cQ

joele
14th March 2014, 08:48 PM
good option I have been suggesting that one to some people at work wanting to learn how to fly..

Manta
14th March 2014, 08:57 PM
Nice I have been reading up on it, good choice a lot of fun

knight76
16th March 2014, 08:55 PM
The Delta Ray is put together and ready for it's maiden. I set it up with the battery and adjusted the trims on it so the ailerons are equal at the neutral point.

Just need a calm day Wednesday and I will have it in the air.

http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y242/knight76/Misc%20Stuff/Delta_zps81bf9625.jpg

joele
17th March 2014, 07:36 AM
good luck, and remember if their is a breeze take off and land flying directly into it ;-)

knight76
19th March 2014, 09:22 PM
Took it up for it's maiden today, it was too windy really for it but I was hanging to get it in the air.

First battery went pretty well apart from battling the wind. It's funny how you watch all these videos to prepare for your first flight, all that stuff about being gentle on the sticks, light small movements etc, only to forget most of it (read all here) when the plane takes off.

Did mostly circles around the park but about half way through the 1st run the wind picked up and it became difficult to handle the plane, especially at height. Got it down for a landing a long way away from me but down safely. Put the second battery in and went again, which I should have known better not to.

Lost control due to fairly gusty conditions ( and no doubt my inability) and the plane went in nose first fairly hard. You see, I forgot about the panic button until it was too late and the wind was just too strong for it to matter I think. Minor damage, snapped the rubber nose cone off which will glue straight back on. Did a few low take offs and landings which went ok save for one roll over in the wind but no damage.

A bit bummed the plane took a hard nose first hit in my first outing, and annoyed at myself for deciding to fly it even though it was probably (read certainly here) too windy. But, now I know what wind is like and will be better for the experience.

One thing (read Another thing here) I forgot was after turning on the remote, and plane on, which is done with throttle at zero and throttle trim at lowest, I took off and forgot to move the trim back to half which would have given it more power to get through the wind.

I'll glue the nose back on and wait it out for a calm day I think. And yes, i am glad I bought this now rather than the Archer.

Woody
19th March 2014, 09:38 PM
Nice one. I think first flight generally include some damage, it's just the degree that differs.

On my first flight, in my ARF trainer classic, I went to the local footy field with a bunch if enthusiastic mates, one of whom had a pilots licence. The take off was perfect, climb was beautiful, and the the turn! I hit the rudder, thinking that's how you turn, just like an RC car, but it doesn't work that way. 20 seconds later and it was into the trees HARD! Smashed the bajeezuz out of that balsa beast. I wish I knew the ailerons were for turning in the air. In particular my pilot mate who watched the drama.

Anyway, it was rebuilt, and flew many more times, trainers are meant to be wrecked, rebuilt, and flown!

Good luck with the repair, and next flight.

knight76
22nd March 2014, 08:37 AM
Got the plane up again this morning, no wind at all. Tried several parks in the area and each had people on them, then realised I left the batteries at home. :realmad:

Returned to the largest park in our immediate area and found it empty.

Used both batteries flying mostly circles and a few figure 8's. I've noticed in beginner mode at least it takes a fair bit of stick to turn the plane to it's side, and with a tendency to climb in beginner mode you end up needing to nose down to turn rather than pull back or else the plane just sits there in a turn angle but trying to climb not going anywhere. I don't know how this is meant to teach you to fly without aids being on since that is not normally how you would turn.

Attached the battery alarm and set it to 3.7v. Got about 4 minutes out of each battery before the alarm sounded. Checked the battery capacity after walking about 20m to get the plane and it read 3.89v and 61% battery remaining.

Do I have the voltage alarm set too high? I realise it sounds with voltage under load which will differ from the voltage once landed, but the battery has 60% charge left, supposed to be bale to run them down to 20-30% but not below.

Was good to get some good flights in the air without damage. :D

joele
22nd March 2014, 08:59 AM
I run mine down to 50% before I start planning to land.. Timer is set to catch them at around 50% down but then at airfield might have to wait my turn to land etc so extra leeway is good.. Generally they are not going below around 40% or so..

I also set my timer on my remote to only count down while the throttle is on, but that might only be available in dx6 upwards (I use a dx8).

Congrats on the damage free flying BTW..

BTW the reason the test after landing and the inflight tester don't match is the battery will appear lower under load but once you land and it settles with no load it will 'appear' to creep back up a bit..

Manta
22nd March 2014, 05:41 PM
I flew my fw190 today and run out of batt around 6 minutes which is not good and probably stuffed the batt. So will drop it down to 4 mins

knight76
25th March 2014, 06:39 PM
I flew my fw190 today and run out of batt around 6 minutes which is not good and probably stuffed the batt. So will drop it down to 4 mins

Apparently there is a trickle charge method you can use to revive them. Then put them back on the lipo charger to charge again.

I got about 6 minutes from mine and it was 28% when landed. A lot depends on throttle usage as well which I keep at 50% as much above that and this plane wants to climb badly.