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Roxbury
31st July 2010, 08:26 PM
*Update* With many thanks to Spriggy, here is the completed Moon Patrol CPO Overlay http://tehkella.net/damian/MoonPatrol/Moon Patrol CPO (LAI version)_final_v3.ai

The artwork is layered, and you can remove the layer with the holes as required.

As per my Moon Patrol restore thread (http://www.aussiearcade.com/showthread.php?t=35112) I need some help making a graphic file that will allow me to get a vinyl sticker made that I can apply to the panels once I get them powder coated.

http://tehkella.net/damian/MoonPatrol/Control Panel Resized.JPG

Below are some links to pictures in a higher resolution, with a ruler in some shots so you can see the size of some things. As you can see the word "Moon" has been removed. Whilst you can borrow the "o" from Patrol, so the "M" and "n" may need to be made from scratch?

Also the "FIRE" and "JUMP" may need to be moved down a bit.

http://tehkella.net/damian/MoonPatrol/Control Panel/P7280425.JPG

http://tehkella.net/damian/MoonPatrol/Control Panel/P7280427.JPG

http://tehkella.net/damian/MoonPatrol/Control Panel/P7280428.JPG

http://tehkella.net/damian/MoonPatrol/Control Panel/P7280429.JPG

http://tehkella.net/damian/MoonPatrol/Control Panel/P7290426.JPG

spriggy
1st August 2010, 10:45 AM
I gather the heading for the thread is 'LAI Moon Patrol ......'? ;)
Alright Rox ... I'll put my hand up. :) I'm busy .. but this is a simple job. I think it's important that we preserve alot of the LAI artwork, because its part of the Aussie arcade history. I'll play with it in the evening hours or at work.

I'm about to go into the shed to work ... so i'll chime back onto this thread this evening and we'll start the ball rolling.

Roxbury
1st August 2010, 11:10 AM
Thanks for the offer Spriggy - much appreciated!!!

No rush - let me know anything I can do to help!

Yeah I made a typo on the thread - maybe a mod can change it?

spriggy
1st August 2010, 11:24 AM
Yeah I made a typo on the thread - maybe a mod can change it?

:cool: Just stiring. You can go into the original message (go advanced) and edit the title heading from memory.

Anyway ... I"ll do this one like I did the Hankin CPO's. Lot's of measurements to get it right. I'll put in the original panel holes in a separate layer, so you can turn them on or off. I'm thinking we should make an entire overlay that can be applied over the whole cp panel and wrapped around the edges 10mm or so.

Anyway .. back to work and be on thread tonight.

spriggy
1st August 2010, 07:40 PM
Alright Rox. Let's get this done right! :cool:

Because we're not working off a scan, I'll be setting up guides in illustrator to mark out all the reference points of the cp artwork ellements and the holes.
So .. I know you have posted pics with the rulers, but to be mm accurate, I'll need you to give me the measurements in 'mm' if you will Sir :cool:.

We need to imagine the CP is still a flat piece of metal .. no bends. We'll use the top bend as a reference point for vertical measurements and the right hand side CP edge as the horizontal reference.

Firstly .. a little pic..

http://img708.imageshack.us/img708/3153/mpcpdims.jpg (http://img708.imageshack.us/i/mpcpdims.jpg/)

I need:
A = Overall CP width
B = Overall CP length, as if the CP was still a flat piece of sheet metal, no bends. Get a decent piece of paper and follow the cp contour as accurately as possible, marking out the 'Top Bend' as well, to hellp with dim 'E'.
C = Overall width of bottom artwork 'multi-stripes' ellement.
D = How far the 'C' ellement comes in from 'Right Edge'
E = Top Bend Vertical measurement from edge of CP
F = Vertical position of 'C' ellement from 'Top Bend' to Top LHS edge of ellement
G = RH edge/tip position of Joystick Artwork from 'Right Edge'
H = Overall width of Joy Artwork
I = LH edge/tip postion of Joy artwork from 'Top Bend'
All CP Hole sizes (Joystick& bolt holes, Fire/Jump & Player 1/2)
All HOLE positions (using Top Bend and Right Edge as reference) of the Joystick hole & 4 joy bolt holes. Fire/Jump Button holes & Player 1/2 holes. If you can't get accurate hole center measurement (as they are already punched out obviosuly), then use the top center edges of the holes. I wouldn't worry about the CP slotted mounting holes. You can Xactoknife them out after application. I'm putting in the hole positions in case anyone does a replica 'Moony' with their LAI cocktail and needs hole positions to make the CP's .
I also need the Height of the 'P' & 'I' in "Patrol" (should be the same). I need the position of the 'I'. Probably from the Top right hand edge as marked with the red dot. And the Bottom right hand edge of the 'n' in "Moon". marked with dot as well.
Last thing .. another good close-up shot of the Joystick artwork, as perpendicular as possible (Square-on)

Also .. if you have a sign printing place near you.. take the 'Cleaned-up' CP and get them to color match with their CMYK color charts. Just let them know that I'm reconstructing the art in Illustrator and need the CMYK numbers for the colors. 'Pantone' color chart and CMYK numbers would be best. They'll understand. If you can't .. then I can only use the std color 'eye drop' selector and get the color off yous photos. But be aware .. this is not an accurate way to get the colors right as photos **** the colors around.

I think that's it m8 ... :cool:

Roxbury
2nd August 2010, 08:26 PM
OK, here are some measurements to start:

A = Overall CP width: 341mm
B = Overall CP length (right round to straight edge before hinge): 277mm
C = Overall width of bottom artwork 'multi-stripes' ellement: 305mm
D = How far the 'C' ellement comes in from 'Right Edge': 18mm
E = Top Bend Vertical measurement from edge of CP: 20.5mm
F = Vertical position of 'C' ellement from 'Top Bend' to Top LHS edge of ellement: 83mm
G = RH edge/tip position of Joystick Artwork from 'Right Edge': 194mm
H = Overall width of Joy Artwork: 73mm
I = LH edge/tip postion of Joy artwork from 'Top Bend': 49mm

Before I measure the holes, how accurate do they need to be? I can get close, but for example with just a ruler I might be half a mm out or so. Is this ok? or is there some sort of tool I should invest in to get accurate measurements?

I will do some more measuring tomorrow. I will get the colours soon as well.

spriggy
2nd August 2010, 09:22 PM
O Before I measure the holes, how accurate do they need to be? I can get close, but for example with just a ruler I might be half a mm out or so. Is this ok? or is there some sort of tool I should invest in to get accurate measurements?

I will do some more measuring tomorrow. I will get the colours soon as well.

Nice Rox. Plenty to get me started. As for the holes .. half a mm ain't gonna do much. In the end, we should rough print the artwork once it's done and overlay on the panel to check. We can make adjustments then.

I'm on arvo's tomorrow, so I should be able to get some done during downtime @ work.

Cheers

spriggy
2nd August 2010, 10:00 PM
Couldn't help myself. :cool:

Found the 'Moon Patrol' font. (Shown below the original) That will save me a bit of time!!

http://img525.imageshack.us/img525/5879/mpfont.jpg (http://img525.imageshack.us/i/mpfont.jpg/)

I also cleaned up and corrected the black/white & color levels on the Instruction card. Other than a few small marks and some fading, the scan was excellent!!

I saved the modified tiff file as uncompressed so its now 15meg. Have you got somewhere I can upload to?

http://img580.imageshack.us/img580/9551/mpinstrcomparison.jpg (http://img580.imageshack.us/i/mpinstrcomparison.jpg/)

Crafty
3rd August 2010, 07:51 AM
I love moon patrol. Excellent to see this game's artwork getting some love....

Might have to set up this game in a cabinet .....

Myny
3rd August 2010, 09:00 AM
Looking great, if you need somewhere to host the files I'm more than happy to, details in my sig.

spriggy
3rd August 2010, 11:09 AM
Looking great, if you need somewhere to host the files I'm more than happy to, details in my sig.

Cheers 4 the offer Baker. That'll be between Rox and you m8. His project. :cool:

Anyway .. started on the cpo whilst some paint was drying :) Alls good at this early stage. Close up pic of pinstripes & ruler was spot-on Rox.

http://img295.imageshack.us/img295/4577/moonpatrolcpolaiversion.jpg (http://img295.imageshack.us/i/moonpatrolcpolaiversion.jpg/)

http://img529.imageshack.us/img529/5736/pinstripes.jpg (http://img529.imageshack.us/i/pinstripes.jpg/)

Roxbury
3rd August 2010, 07:12 PM
Some More measurements and info:

The Yellow in the joystick art is Pantone 110
The Blue is called "Process Cyan". didn't have a number????

P1 & P2 start button holes - 13mm
Joystick screw holes - 5.5mm
Joystick centre hole - 23mm
Button holes - 30mm

Positions of holes using hole top centre from RHS & top

Top left joystick screw 271mm, 22mm
Top right joystick screw 193mm, 22mm
Bottom left joystick screw 271mm, 71mm
Bottom right joystick screw 193mm, 71mm
Button1 133mm, 35mm
Button2 92mm, 35mm
P1 start 30mm, 20mm
P2 start 30mm, 67.5mm

Height of P & I - 13mm
Distance of I from RHS - 115mm
Distance of n from RHS - 196.5mm

New Photo of Joystick art coming soon.

Cheers!

spriggy
3rd August 2010, 07:20 PM
Good work Rox. I know this is a pain ... but at least you know it's getting done right. In relation to the color of the pin-stripes and text. Is it meant to be cream colored, or is it white gone yellow over time?

Currently @ work. I'll see what I can do tonite.

Also .. do you want me to upload the cleaned up instruction card somewhere ... that is if you even need it. Didn't take long ... so a 'No' is no problems.

Roxbury
3rd August 2010, 07:33 PM
Good work Rox. I know this is a pain ... but at least you know it's getting done right. In relation to the color of the pin-stripes and text. Is it meant to be cream colored, or is it white gone yellow over time?

Currently @ work. I'll see what I can do tonite.

Also .. do you want me to upload the cleaned up instruction card somewhere ... that is if you even need it. Didn't take long ... so a 'No' is no problems.

Thanks so much for your efforts Spriggy!

I think the stripes and text are white gone cream over time. I have also noticed you can just make out a bit of blue & yellow remnants where "Moon" was. However it is impossible to tell exactly how it was incorporated within the word. I think to have the word Moon in white will be the best we can do for now.

For the instruction card I am happy to host it on our web site. However we don't have a bit set up where other people can upload. If you put it on one of those rapid share places, I can get it then upload it and leave it available for download.

Thanks!

Can't get a good close up of the artwork with the camera flash on. Might need to take a picture with natural light.

spriggy
3rd August 2010, 08:48 PM
So far ..

http://img842.imageshack.us/img842/6656/moonpatrolcpotest2.jpg (http://img842.imageshack.us/i/moonpatrolcpotest2.jpg/)

Not sure where "Moon Patrol' goes on the Vertical axis. It looks like the bottom of this text is pretty much level with the top of the 2 upper joystick bolt holes. Check that out for me!

I didn't have location for the joystick hole .. but I just made a cross with the bolt hole centers to find the spot. That should be spot on.

Just need the JUMP and FIRE height and locations.

Nice work with the dims :cool:

Roxbury
7th August 2010, 08:00 AM
Here is a close up of the joystick art.

http://tehkella.net/damian/MoonPatrol/Control Panel/Joystick_art.JPG

The letter height of JUMP and FIRE is 4mm

The top of the F is 68.5mm from the top, and the top corner is 139mm from the RHS.

The top of the J is 68.5mm from the top, and the top corner of the J is 98mm from the RHS.

spriggy
7th August 2010, 09:25 AM
Here is a close up of the joystick art.

http://tehkella.net/damian/MoonPatrol/Control Panel/Joystick_art.JPG

The letter height of JUMP and FIRE is 4mm

The top of the F is 68.5mm from the top, and the top corner is 139mm from the RHS.

The top of the J is 68.5mm from the top, and the top corner of the J is 98mm from the RHS.

Cheers. @ work. See what I can do 2day.

spriggy
7th August 2010, 11:02 AM
.. pretty much done. Just needs some cleaning up/fine tuning.

Changed a few things .. ever so slightly. Properly centered the joystick art and JUMP & FIRE texts with the relevant holes. They were originally off very slightly.

http://img153.imageshack.us/img153/4577/moonpatrolcpolaiversion.jpg (http://img153.imageshack.us/i/moonpatrolcpolaiversion.jpg/)

http://img256.imageshack.us/img256/4577/moonpatrolcpolaiversion.jpg (http://img256.imageshack.us/i/moonpatrolcpolaiversion.jpg/)

spriggy
7th August 2010, 01:22 PM
Finshed. Based on your perceptions of the Cream color, likely originally White, I've made that change. The Cream color is still in the color palette in case.
Just needs to be test printed for you to check it.

PM me when you want it uploaded.

Cheers

http://img801.imageshack.us/img801/4577/moonpatrolcpolaiversion.jpg (http://img801.imageshack.us/i/moonpatrolcpolaiversion.jpg/)

DKong
7th August 2010, 02:30 PM
Great to see this artwork getting saved, top job Spriggy :023:

spriggy
7th August 2010, 03:38 PM
Great to see this artwork getting saved, top job Spriggy :023:

Yeh .. it's definately missing something though. I don't know if some other ellements are missing, or if it's one of LAI's "lazy" artwork jobs that they occassionally did. LAI did some gr8 original artwork take-offs of the US stuff.. but they also did lazy ones.

Roxbury
7th August 2010, 04:06 PM
Yeh .. it's definately missing something though. I don't know if some other ellements are missing, or if it's one of LAI's "lazy" artwork jobs that they occassionally did. LAI did some gr8 original artwork take-offs of the US stuff.. but they also did lazy ones.

Wow! Thanks Spriggy!

The word "Moon" definitely had some blue & yellow in it, but because it has been scraped off, it is impossible to tell exactly how it should look.

DKong
7th August 2010, 04:40 PM
Yeh .. it's definately missing something though. I don't know if some other ellements are missing, or if it's one of LAI's "lazy" artwork jobs that they occassionally did. LAI did some gr8 original artwork take-offs of the US stuff.. but they also did lazy ones.

:hijack:I will scan my DK LAI CT artwork that is some of the most original LAI CT artwork I have seen ( or Donkey Kong artwork for that matter)

spriggy
7th August 2010, 05:22 PM
Wow! Thanks Spriggy!

The word "Moon" definitely had some blue & yellow in it, but because it has been scraped off, it is impossible to tell exactly how it should look.
No problems Rox. Very simple stuff. Thx for the dims. I'll add another layer for CP hole centers, just marked with a small X. I do all of my files as you would for a screenprinting job, with all the color layers separate and a Die Cut holes layer. You can just turn off the Die Cut layer and use the X hole centers layer if need be. I haven't set the file out fully as needed for screenprinting (ie add bleed and separate overlapping layers) as it will likely never get screenprinted. You can then move text around etc without leaving a layer separation hole behind. Below is an example of the Bubble Bobble Marquee I did, showing the layer separation holes and separate color layers (combined image at top).. to explain what I'm rabbiting on about.


:hijack:I will scan my DK LAI CT artwork that is some of the most original LAI CT artwork I have seen ( or Donkey Kong artwork for that matter)

Hijack :)

Do it .. I'll check it out with the intention of vectoring it Some of the "good" LAI licensed artwork definately needs recreating. Especially DK. If the artwork is good, I'd love to do a LAI DK cocktail build for some LAI cocktail history in the gamesroom. Will go with the future Lowboy upright sitting in the shed and my LAI Neo Geo.

Start another thread on it when you scan it. In fact ... PM me a camera pic of the CP as I'm curious. Haven't seen n LAI DK ct panel in at least a decade and am a bit foggy on it!!!!

http://img233.imageshack.us/img233/2912/bbseparation.jpg (http://img233.imageshack.us/i/bbseparation.jpg/)

DKong
7th August 2010, 07:18 PM
Well after getting all my photo's off my old hardrive and having a good reminisce, whilst the tunes were playing found the photo , woo hoo

The flash is bad and can get a better shot, that is some original DK artwork though, and the other side has the mario ladder artwork.
Its like they made this game to be King Kong for Aus when the guy did the artwork.
If you can save this one I will save the machine , deal ;)

http://i220.photobucket.com/albums/dd199/DKongAA/IMG_0722.jpg

spriggy
7th August 2010, 11:15 PM
Well after getting all my photo's off my old hardrive and having a good reminisce, whilst the tunes were playing found the photo , woo hoo

The flash is bad and can get a better shot, that is some original DK artwork though, and the other side has the mario ladder artwork.
Its like they made this game to be King Kong for Aus when the guy did the artwork.
If you can save this one I will save the machine , deal ;)

http://i220.photobucket.com/albums/dd199/DKongAA/IMG_0722.jpg

No promises until I get the scans. Real hard to tell the detail on the artwork or if any important ellements are missing/worn. Hopefully you have both CP's and a scan of both will cover each others inadequacies. PM me when you got 'em

Roxbury
13th August 2010, 08:08 PM
With thanks to Spriggy, I have put a link to the completed version of the Moon Patrol CPO artwork on the first post!