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stuba
10th September 2009, 10:08 AM
Here's my new project. Its a 1976 Gottlieb Target Alpha (http://www.ipdb.org/machine.cgi?id=2500).

I wheeled this out of the shed a yesterday and started on it last night. Here's some initial pics:

http://www.aussiearcade.com/photopost/data/534/Picture_002.jpg

The cab is in good condition with nothing too major in the way of scratches. The backglass (not shown) is a 9.5.

http://www.aussiearcade.com/photopost/data/534/medium/Picture_0051.jpg

The main glass has broken at some stage (knowing what I know now that is a very good thing but more on that later..)

The playfield is filthy but I think that under all the dirt that its in good condition..

http://www.aussiearcade.com/photopost/data/534/Picture_0101.jpg

The coin door looks crappy but under the dirt it once again is nice and straight and there is no visible rust. I am thinking it will clean up really well..

http://www.aussiearcade.com/photopost/data/534/Picture_0131.jpg

As per most of my project EM's the full documentation is tucked in an envelope inside the machine including mint unused score cards and price tickets.:)
http://www.aussiearcade.com/photopost/data/534/Picture_0161.jpg

http://www.aussiearcade.com/photopost/data/534/Picture_027.jpg

I had to put a pic in of the inside coin door. I've never seen one this clean and rust free. nice. :D

http://www.aussiearcade.com/photopost/data/534/Picture_0311.jpg

score motor looks ok and moves around ok when pushed. have already noticed a contact point missing..

http://www.aussiearcade.com/photopost/data/534/Picture_0221.jpg

these gottliebs always have wear under the pop bumper mylars, this one didn't! :cool:

http://www.aussiearcade.com/photopost/data/534/Picture_0201.jpg

here's one wipe of the playfield with a sponge and quick spray of simply green. I have to admit to getting very excited when I saw how nice that playfield is underneath! I think this one if going to be a bit special :)

Arcade King
10th September 2009, 10:23 AM
A Stu 10 out of 10 nice one mate. look forward to seeing it going.

Fish Tales
10th September 2009, 10:31 AM
Looks like being a pearler once cleaned-up Stu. Its also one of the best tables ever made, same lay-out as El Dorado, and Solar City. Shooters heaven really.
:cool: I noticed the BG when I was there, and it looks good as well.

Skybeaux
10th September 2009, 06:41 PM
Looks in exceptional condition , and i'll say will probably be hard to part with once you've finished it;)

stuba
10th September 2009, 07:17 PM
Looks in exceptional condition , and i'll say will probably be hard to part with once you've finished it;)

yeah ken. you hit it in one. i have 'loosely' promised this one to a member here and now I have to figure out how to get out of that! maybe i can loan it to him and he can have it until he gets sick of it.... ;)

WOKA
10th September 2009, 08:47 PM
Thats looking really nice Stu..!

But you've got to give in at some stage, you can't keep them all.. Like kids, they all leave home sooner or later.. ;) Sad to see them go, but happy when they do. As long as they are in good hands and have an ultimate homing device built in..

Fish Tales
10th September 2009, 08:53 PM
As I stare into my "magic chrome-plated pinball of future telling" I can see Woka with this ding ding ding in his gamesroom.
;)

WOKA
10th September 2009, 08:56 PM
What else can you foretell for me Greg..? Lotto win, Blonde bobsy twins knocking on my door sometime soon..?

..? :p

Fish Tales
10th September 2009, 09:02 PM
What else can you foretell for me Greg..? Lotto win, Blonde bobsy twins knocking on my door sometime soon..?

..? :p

The first reading was free Dylan, and for another it will cost a 1.3kilo bag of red frogs.
:p

WOKA
10th September 2009, 09:13 PM
You cheap bastard. Moon dip not good enough..?


'Back on track'

stuba
10th September 2009, 09:36 PM
Thats looking really nice Stu..!

But you've got to give in at some stage, you can't keep them all.. Like kids, they all leave home sooner or later.. ;) Sad to see them go, but happy when they do. As long as they are in good hands and have an ultimate homing device built in..

yes. i know what you say is correct and wise but maybe the resto will take a bit longer than i first estimated...:cry

having said that i finished the head tonight, 4 players (16 score reels) are a massive PITA. I have ordered all new targets and bumper caps today as well. gonna go the whole hog on this one!

post some more pics tomorra ;)

Nick64
10th September 2009, 11:07 PM
Ring-a-ding ding the EM king, another beauty Stu . How good is that inside the coin door, mint . Go the lions ;)

stuba
11th September 2009, 09:38 AM
Well the first problem was a bit different. I am starting to think that maybe there was a reason that the glass was broken. The strategy on restoring these machines is to break them down into 3 bits. 1. The head (which contains the score reels, player/ball scoring stepper and credit stepper. 2. The playfield which on these machines contains the bonus unit stepper, flippers, pop bumper and targets as the main mechs and 3. The guts – which contains the transformer, score motor, player/coin stepper and most of the relays.

So the first thing to do is remove the playfield. Open the coin door, open the lock down bar lock, remove lockdown bar and pull the playfield out. Only problem is that the lockdown bar won’t budge, the slide mechanism is sliding but its not releasing the bar. Shit. Problem is you can’t get at the slide mech until the playfield is out of the way! Much scratching of head – you could take a pry bar to it but would do major damage in the process.

I decided to try and remove the playfield with the lockdown bar in place. I wasn’t sure this was possible but thought it was worth a try. I removed the upper playfield glass holder assembly.

http://www.aussiearcade.com/photopost/data/500/Picture_0171.jpg

I then tried to get the playfield out by pulling it up over the head. I soon discovered the playfield has locking clips that attach to the lockdown slide mech – the good news is that by going through the coin door you can remove the screws that hold these in place if you can rotate your head 180 degrees, tricky but possible.

http://www.aussiearcade.com/photopost/data/500/Picture_023.jpg

This allowed me to pull the playfield out ‘backwards’. It left the slide mech exposed and 8 screws and 1 plunger removal later I had the mech removed from the cabinet.

http://www.aussiearcade.com/photopost/data/500/Picture_041.jpg

You can see the problem above, somebody has tried to force the slide mech bending a critical piece of metal to the point where the arm no longer can move the slide mech. It shouldn’t be too hard to fix – case of freeing up the mech with some lube and bending the metal back – I hope the bending does not end up weakening it too much, worst case it’ll need replacement or ‘engineering’ but I’m confident it will work fine when bent back into place. A lot of detail but hopefully helpful to anyone that has a similar issue.

Fish Tales
11th September 2009, 11:14 AM
Ah, now I know why you were happy that the glass was smashed Stu.
:cool:

mechanic
11th September 2009, 10:58 PM
Here's my new project. Its a 1976 Gottlieb Target Alpha (http://www.ipdb.org/machine.cgi?id=2500).

I wheeled this out of the shed a yesterday and started on it last night. Here's some initial pics:

http://www.aussiearcade.com/photopost/data/534/Picture_002.jpg

The cab is in good condition with nothing too major in the way of scratches. The backglass (not shown) is a 9.5.

http://www.aussiearcade.com/photopost/data/534/medium/Picture_0051.jpg

The main glass has broken at some stage (knowing what I know now that is a very good thing but more on that later..)

The playfield is filthy but I think that under all the dirt that its in good condition..

http://www.aussiearcade.com/photopost/data/534/Picture_0101.jpg

The coin door looks crappy but under the dirt it once again is nice and straight and there is no visible rust. I am thinking it will clean up really well..

http://www.aussiearcade.com/photopost/data/534/Picture_0131.jpg

As per most of my project EM's the full documentation is tucked in an envelope inside the machine including mint unused score cards and price tickets.:)
http://www.aussiearcade.com/photopost/data/534/Picture_0161.jpg

http://www.aussiearcade.com/photopost/data/534/Picture_027.jpg

I had to put a pic in of the inside coin door. I've never seen one this clean and rust free. nice. :D

http://www.aussiearcade.com/photopost/data/534/Picture_0311.jpg

score motor looks ok and moves around ok when pushed. have already noticed a contact point missing..

http://www.aussiearcade.com/photopost/data/534/Picture_0221.jpg

these gottliebs always have wear under the pop bumper mylars, this one didn't! :cool:

http://www.aussiearcade.com/photopost/data/534/Picture_0201.jpg

here's one wipe of the playfield with a sponge and quick spray of simply green. I have to admit to getting very excited when I saw how nice that playfield is underneath! I think this one if going to be a bit special :)

I have a restored solar city and know this machine backwards , man I love gottlieb ems if you need any help just ask

slevbro
12th September 2009, 12:01 AM
nice
a great game to play, all those targets!!!!!
good luck

Fair Dinkum Dan
19th September 2009, 09:38 AM
Great thread, Stu.

It looks like it will come up a treat when finished.

Cheers,

Dan

stuba
15th October 2009, 08:45 AM
Time for an Update

I was away for a while but some good things happened to Target Alpha whilst I was away - thanks to Travis, Scott, Derek and Claude. I need to catch the thread up a bit first:

The next step was to rebuild/test "the guts". The main problem I found was this contact was stuffed on the score motor:

http://www.aussiearcade.com/photopost/data/500/medium/scoremswitch.jpg

replaced this and then tested all the coils to find all good news:

http://www.aussiearcade.com/photopost/data/500/medium/Picture-006.jpg

I rebuilt/cleaned and tested all the score reels (doh, there are 16)

http://www.aussiearcade.com/photopost/data/500/medium/Picture-051.jpg

http://www.aussiearcade.com/photopost/data/500/medium/Picture-053.jpg

http://www.aussiearcade.com/photopost/data/500/medium/Picture-057.jpg

cleaned and rebuilt ball/player scoring stepper:

http://www.aussiearcade.com/photopost/data/500/medium/Picture-060.jpg

at the completion of this the head and 'guts' were all rebuilt and cleaned. Time to start on the playfield. The playfield was fully stripped and new parts ordered from pinball resource. Here's a picture of the full strip:

http://www.aussiearcade.com/photopost/data/500/medium/Picture-058.jpg

everything! was removed! This is a first for me as I don't normally pull them back to absolutely bare playfield. I'll explain why in my next update which will follow directly..

stuba
15th October 2009, 01:21 PM
I made the decision to clear coat the Target Alpha playfield. I really struggled to make the decision and I?ll outline the reasoning (therapy for me!).

I took a lot of advice from a lot of people heavily involved in restorations and weighed the various opinions. In the end the basis of my decision was as follows:

The game is 30 plus years old and playfield is in XLNT condition. The point of restoring a machine like this is to preserve it for myself but also other people to play end enjoy. A 2 pac clear takes away all worry of future wear and guarantees a much longer working life for the machine (hopefully for many, many years). The game will always play fast and clean as it did when it came out of the factory which to me is doing proper justice to the designers and manufacturers. I have little doubt that if clear coats of today?s quality were available in the 70?s they would have been used on pinball ? just the same as todays LED?s being a better choice for 90?s pins that the 44/47?s of the day. I don?t think I could put LED?s on an EM but if heat is an issue and the colour doesn?t look un-natural then maybe. I have machines from many different eras and I enjoy fast pinball so it was a little bit of personal choice as well. Will I do this for the other pile of EM?s that I?m yet to restore? Maybe ? this is also a bit of an experiment. I?ll see how it goes, get some feedback from ppl that play it and take it from there?

One thing I will say is that Scott (Savage) did a lovely job. There are 7 coats of clear on here ? he went a couple more than normal to help level the inserts up. He did a great job! Thanks to Travis for delivery and Derek for pickup whilst I was away. I definitely have some more playfields that I?ll be getting Scott to clear including a dr who, genie and viking! Thanks again Scott.

I was a bit remiss in not taking any pics before I started reassembly but I?ll blame 7 days on the piss whilst fishing for having an addled brain (and liver). Anyway here?s some pics and you can see I?ve started putting it back together?geez all those targets were a pain ? should have doc?d my method for those as well but maybe next time.. and ps the pop bumper caps are not the stars - still waiting for them..

http://www.aussiearcade.com/photopost/data/500/medium/Picture-002.jpg

http://www.aussiearcade.com/photopost/data/500/medium/Picture-004.jpg

http://www.aussiearcade.com/photopost/data/500/medium/Picture-007.jpg

http://www.aussiearcade.com/photopost/data/500/medium/Picture-010.jpg

Fish Tales
15th October 2009, 01:43 PM
Looks sweet Stu, you will be waxing the PF as well?

pistolpete78
15th October 2009, 01:45 PM
I love the reflection of the drop targets on the PF Stu - looks awesome.

Your thinking about protecting the PF from future wear seems logical to me, and if you like to have the ball racing around as you say, you'll get the added benefit there.

Keep the updates rolling in:)

WOKA
15th October 2009, 02:03 PM
Great effort Stu. It is looking really nice.

dmworking247
15th October 2009, 02:18 PM
Stu I call foul. That's not a project EM machine, its cheating! Its coming up so nice that its almost like one of those "before and after" advertisements where they deliberately dirty a perfectly new product to 'simulate' it being old and dirty :)

Foot
15th October 2009, 03:15 PM
I like it! This will look better than new when finished :023:

Knew you'd be getting it back together before I'd get mine done (Mind you I've finished the cab and head box inside and out, and have started on the playfield assembly, suppose a threads in order....)

Talby
15th October 2009, 03:15 PM
Stu, mate the machine is looking brilliant.

Are you still heading down my way over Christmas?

stuba
15th October 2009, 09:23 PM
Looks sweet Stu, you will be waxing the PF as well?

scott says it won't need it greg but i'll be checking with him when he gets back from playing soldiers (he's in the reserve)


Stu I call foul. That's not a project EM machine, its cheating! Its coming up so nice that its almost like one of those "before and after" advertisements where they deliberately dirty a perfectly new product to 'simulate' it being old and dirty :)

damn you my nemesis! onto me again. looking forward to seeing some of you guys play it at the next MM :)



I like it! This will look better than new when finished :023:

Knew you'd be getting it back together before I'd get mine done (Mind you I've finished the cab and head box inside and out, and have started on the playfield assembly, suppose a threads in order....)

would love to see a thread on yours D, your PF touch ups are the best I've ever seen on any machine, please feel free to share with the group... its going to be a special machine when its done.


Stu, mate the machine is looking brilliant.

Are you still heading down my way over Christmas?

cheers B, not coming sth in december but making a flying visit in january for a wedding and then a 40th round the long weekend, will try and hookup then but if not then the next xpo or MM hey?

would love to check out some of your sys 1's :)

PS AK - found the plastics - behind the sambuca :lol

Arcade King
15th October 2009, 09:26 PM
:b

stuba
16th October 2009, 03:03 PM
I was missing one plastic off the game. I've never made plastics before so this was all a bit new - I won't go into all the technical detail other than a brief description as there are plenty of threads on it. Lee from pinball rescue lent me the plastic I was missing (thanks Lee!) and I scanned it and traced the outline. I photoshopped the image and sent the trace via email to Claude who cut it out for me on his CNC. He did a great job! (thanks Claude). AK then gave me some magic film transparency that he got from Scott (must find out where to buy this stuff!!) and I reversed the image (it had to be mirror becasue of sticking it to the bottom) and printed it. I them stuck it to the bottom of the plastic and I had a repro plastic that matches in well with the other plastics.

http://www.aussiearcade.com/photopost/data/500/medium/PLastics.jpg

the top one is the repro. the assistance I received made it a lot easier than I thought it would be so thanks to the guys that lent a hand! especially claude who dropped the raw plastic into me whilst I was away - owe you some beers! will invite you around for the play testing when she's finished!

Claude
16th October 2009, 04:38 PM
Excellent work there Stu and team and a great log with cool pics.

That playfield looks very smick - just ignore any comments you might get from a guy that calls himself 'the guru' :lol

I probably shouldn't have have re-vectored those holes in the plastic to be perfect 4mm circles as the holes now don't match the graphic - doh - but overall looks great. Let me know if you'd prefer it as it was and I'll cut another if it's not too late.

Look forward to having a play - and more pics and progress :D

Arcade King
16th October 2009, 04:40 PM
Don't be so hard on Extra Ball there Claude ;)

Claude
16th October 2009, 04:47 PM
Don't be so hard on Extra Ball there Claude ;)

Ya shit stirrer :laugh:

This is who and what I was referring to in case anyone missed it and in case Trav just started a war with someone who doesn't really know me ;)

http://www.aussiearcade.com/showpost.php?p=330501&postcount=17

Arcade King
16th October 2009, 04:50 PM
meh he hasn't been back since he got flogged by the masses.

Fish Tales
16th October 2009, 05:12 PM
Don't be so hard on Extra Ball there Claude ;)

Trav your playful teasing will not get you all-jiggy with me,
I just dont swing that way :p

WOKA
16th October 2009, 05:48 PM
I'm just typing this reply for the, well.. For the hell of typing it.

Claude
16th October 2009, 05:49 PM
I'm just typing this reply for the, well.. For the hell of typing it.

And because you've drunk a skin full already :lol

WOKA
16th October 2009, 05:54 PM
No, just emulating EB..! :lol

(Beer #2)

Fish Tales
16th October 2009, 06:03 PM
No, just emulating EB..! :lol

(Beer #2)

I need more beer, so much love for me tonite......but its all from grotty old men. :o

stuba
16th October 2009, 07:13 PM
i should say claude i haven't cut holes in the graphic yet so they will match! your're one step ahead of me. thanks again!

Claude
16th October 2009, 09:14 PM
i should say claude i haven't cut holes in the graphic yet so they will match! your're one step ahead of me. thanks again!

Didn't notice you hadn't cut the holes in the graphic yet, but the graphic holes are slightly larger and not quite circular IIRC. Might have just been some wear over the years.

Happy to help anytime and it's great to see these old machines come back to life.

Savage
1st November 2009, 05:09 PM
Looking good there.
Can't wait to see it all together

slevbro
1st November 2009, 07:10 PM
that play field is amazing :023:

stuba
5th November 2009, 03:17 PM
some progress pics:

http://www.aussiearcade.com/photopost/data/534/update2.jpg

http://www.aussiearcade.com/photopost/data/534/update1.jpg

I have thrown the economics out of the window on this and just gone to town. It has all new everything I could find. I even buffed the screw heads on the apron holders (which can't be seen when the apron is on :redface). All the steel as been regrained and has come up really well. Still waiting on some more stuff from pinball resource (should get here in the next few days) then she goes back together for testing!

http://www.aussiearcade.com/photopost/data/534/update3.jpg

heres the apron after sandblasting. I've sinced primed it and given it one rub back. I am planning to white gloss it and then use one of pinball rescues gottlieb apron decals on it. will doc the process here.

big thanks to nick2214 who organised the sandblast from one of his mates! :D

Claude
5th November 2009, 03:25 PM
Looking great Stu, but will you hurry up and finish as I'm itching to have a game on it :lol

Foot
8th November 2009, 10:16 PM
Looks nice with all the new bits

Nick64
9th November 2009, 09:59 PM
Looking Sweeet mate..... I'd buy that for a dollar ;)

Arcade King
10th November 2009, 06:48 AM
Will look great next to Spirit

stuba
6th August 2010, 11:46 AM
one of the good things about having a meet (and there are plenty!) is it forces you to finish things off. Target Alpha sat for quite a few months over Xmas with a few probs that I never got round to fixing. Anyway, it was just some simple switch adjustments and spring tightening and it was playing. Heres some final pics

http://www.aussiearcade.com/photopost/data/534/finished_1.jpg

http://www.aussiearcade.com/photopost/data/534/finsihed_2.jpg

I've done a lot of tuning in the last week or so to get it just right and its really a great game. It's about as close as you can get to playing a NIB 70's EM, every part on the playfield is new and the clearcoat is glassy and quick and really makes the great art shine. I'm looking forward to a few of you guys playing it and seeing what you think. :)

illawarra_steelers
6th August 2010, 12:41 PM
Bloody hell Stu, that is one clean EM :cool:

goodolddays
6th August 2010, 01:23 PM
How nice is that machine :cool:

Claude
6th August 2010, 01:37 PM
She's a beauty Stuba. Look forward to having a game.

By the way, were you able to use the polycarb playfield plastic I CNC'ed for you ?

Fish Tales
6th August 2010, 02:19 PM
sweet indeed :cool:

stuba
6th August 2010, 02:31 PM
She's a beauty Stuba. Look forward to having a game.

By the way, were you able to use the polycarb playfield plastic I CNC'ed for you ?

I sure did Claude and it did the job just great until I discovered a set of repro plastics :redface

Foot
6th August 2010, 07:16 PM
Well done! I'm looking forward to playing this one :D

Claude
7th August 2010, 08:24 AM
I sure did Claude and it did the job just great until I discovered a set of repro plastics :redface

No probs. At least you have a spare piece if you need it now.

And if you have any others that you just can't source for those old EM's, let me know and I'd be happy to help out if I can.

bossninja17
7th August 2010, 05:12 PM
Great job. Looks like you have a Pioneer in the background.

stuba
7th August 2010, 08:43 PM
Great job. Looks like you have a Pioneer in the background.

yeah same game spirit of 76. lots of ems round here.

Steve2010
7th August 2010, 08:50 PM
Stu, sensational piece of work .... simply awesome! Bring on the game play!

WOKA
7th August 2010, 08:59 PM
So when you dropping it around Stu..?


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