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el_timbo86
14th August 2009, 11:09 PM
Hey guys,

Havent been around here much of late, as i've been pretty busy with work, life etc...

In my free time though, i've been working quietly on a Visual Pinball cabinet. I've been following the VP scene since its early days, and really got motivated to build a cabinet when people started experimenting with VP 6...

ANYWAYS, i'm happy to answer ANY questions you guys have in regards to the project.

By all means, i dont want this thread to turn into a 'its not the real thing' dispute. This cabinet doesnt even come CLOSE to replicating the feel of a real life pin, but it does get alot of my friends / family asking questions and reminiscing about their own pinball experiences etc, which i really like talking about...

I'd also like to thank all the guys at Bumper Action in Melbourne (particularly David in spare parts) for basically helping me out with any parts, and little bits and pieces pinball related...

Well, i'll leave it at that, as the pictures speak for themselves...
Theres a few things left to do, i need to add side rails to lock the 'playfield glass' in, and get that and the lockdown bar powder coated Black. Similar to the new STERN textured finish...

Like i said, any questions, just ask...and enjoy the pics!! Sorry 56k guys....

Initial Sketches...
http://i374.photobucket.com/albums/oo189/el_timbo86/n95i-401.jpg

Starting out...
http://i374.photobucket.com/albums/oo189/el_timbo86/n95i-405.jpg

http://i374.photobucket.com/albums/oo189/el_timbo86/n95i-411.jpg

http://i374.photobucket.com/albums/oo189/el_timbo86/n95i-413.jpg

Thinking about heat issues...
http://i374.photobucket.com/albums/oo189/el_timbo86/n95i-414.jpg

Coming together...
http://i374.photobucket.com/albums/oo189/el_timbo86/n95i-422.jpg

Making the leg mounts...I'll need to add a steel plate so they dont get eaten away...
http://i374.photobucket.com/albums/oo189/el_timbo86/n95i-424.jpg

Installed X4
http://i374.photobucket.com/albums/oo189/el_timbo86/n95i-429.jpg

Starting to look like something....
http://i374.photobucket.com/albums/oo189/el_timbo86/n95i-434.jpg

All legs fit...
http://i374.photobucket.com/albums/oo189/el_timbo86/n95i-440.jpg

Make it sturdy...
http://i374.photobucket.com/albums/oo189/el_timbo86/n95i-469.jpg

http://i374.photobucket.com/albums/oo189/el_timbo86/n95i-480.jpg

http://i374.photobucket.com/albums/oo189/el_timbo86/n95i-470.jpg

http://i374.photobucket.com/albums/oo189/el_timbo86/n95i-474.jpg

Brother and Me...
http://i374.photobucket.com/albums/oo189/el_timbo86/n95i-468.jpg

Thanks Bumper for the coin door...
http://i374.photobucket.com/albums/oo189/el_timbo86/n95i-477.jpg

Patching everything up...
http://i374.photobucket.com/albums/oo189/el_timbo86/n95i-482.jpg

Plunger cutout...
http://i374.photobucket.com/albums/oo189/el_timbo86/n95i-505.jpg

Button holes and coin door area...
http://i374.photobucket.com/albums/oo189/el_timbo86/n95i-499.jpg

Literally done and dusted...
http://i374.photobucket.com/albums/oo189/el_timbo86/n95i-516.jpg


To be continued...

el_timbo86
14th August 2009, 11:10 PM
Artwork i designed arrives back from the printer...
http://i374.photobucket.com/albums/oo189/el_timbo86/n95i-461.jpg

http://i374.photobucket.com/albums/oo189/el_timbo86/n95i-464.jpg

Thanks to Dad for sandblasting the crap off the coin door and making it new again!!! Thanks old mate!!
http://i374.photobucket.com/albums/oo189/el_timbo86/n95i-551.jpg

http://i374.photobucket.com/albums/oo189/el_timbo86/n95i-548.jpg

http://i374.photobucket.com/albums/oo189/el_timbo86/IMG_2434.jpg

http://i374.photobucket.com/albums/oo189/el_timbo86/IMG_2436.jpg

Artwork goes on and so do the front legs...
http://i374.photobucket.com/albums/oo189/el_timbo86/n95i-535.jpg

http://i374.photobucket.com/albums/oo189/el_timbo86/n95i-540.jpg

And the back...
http://i374.photobucket.com/albums/oo189/el_timbo86/n95i-528.jpg

New coin door...pretty!!
http://i374.photobucket.com/albums/oo189/el_timbo86/PinUpdate010.jpg

Translite and ICs arrive...
http://i374.photobucket.com/albums/oo189/el_timbo86/PinUpdate004.jpg

http://i374.photobucket.com/albums/oo189/el_timbo86/PinUpdate006.jpg

Plunger...
http://i374.photobucket.com/albums/oo189/el_timbo86/n95i-533.jpg

Kinda fast forward through the backbox construction due to lack of pics...
http://i374.photobucket.com/albums/oo189/el_timbo86/PinUpdate013.jpg

Artwork finished...
http://i374.photobucket.com/albums/oo189/el_timbo86/PinUpdate024.jpg

Starting to look like a pin...
http://i374.photobucket.com/albums/oo189/el_timbo86/PinUpdate027.jpg

Finishing up...
http://i374.photobucket.com/albums/oo189/el_timbo86/PinballFaith040.jpg

Check out some video of it in action...

http://www.youtube.com/TimothyJohn1986


Thanks for looking guys!!

el_timbo86

daics3522
14th August 2009, 11:45 PM
Farkin awesome...

A tutorial or similar on how you got the LCD screen, DMD and LCD in the header box wired together would be great.

knight76
14th August 2009, 11:45 PM
I always find these things cool.

Just from a sheer entertainment perspective.

Fire it up and have a bash at virtually any pin.

How did you go about designing thr size of the cab? Did you start with the TV size you knew you had, and design to fit?

How does the DMD work?

pinsanity
15th August 2009, 12:04 AM
Farkin awesome...

A tutorial or similar on how you got the LCD screen, DMD and LCD in the header box wired together would be great.

+1.

Looks fantastic.

More tech specs, please. :)

fringert
15th August 2009, 12:07 AM
Farkin awesome...

A tutorial or similar on how you got the LCD screen, DMD and LCD in the header box wired together would be great.

second that ! nothing beats original pinball, but that's a great set up to have to look at machines you'd probably never get a chance to own.

AskJacob
15th August 2009, 12:51 AM
Wow what a great post!

Nice build there!

Cheers
Jacob

Fry
15th August 2009, 01:36 AM
Really nice build. Something like this is on my to do list. I can't believe someone hasn't set up shop making these yet. I think I'd drop $2k to $3k on one.

David_AVD
15th August 2009, 07:24 AM
Well done. Thanks for the pix. It makes it all seem possible to the rest of us now! :023:

Fish Tales
15th August 2009, 07:28 AM
Bloody nice. I loathe virtual pinball, but applaud the fantastic job yas have done. :cool:

AdamC
15th August 2009, 08:21 AM
That looks great !!!

+1 for the tutorial on the setup.

Is the plunger just connected up to hit a microswitch ? Or is have you made it so it registers anything less than a full pullback on it ??:unsure

Whats the size of the monitor? Or is it a tv screen ? :unsure

shootar75
15th August 2009, 10:52 AM
wicked!

very cool build....

Supremicus
15th August 2009, 12:50 PM
That looks awesome, how much did the total setup cost if you don't mind me asking ?

DKong
15th August 2009, 02:43 PM
Thats great! I want to make one of these one day. Yours looks sensational.
+1 on the tech specs:)

Dirty daz
16th August 2009, 06:03 PM
looks great lots of work done here.....good job:)

OzStick
17th August 2009, 06:50 PM
As Billy Idol once screamed:

"With a Rebel Yell, More, More, More!".............

You're definitely onto something here Tim, the machine looks bloody awesome!

Cheers,
Chris

mrhappyface
18th August 2009, 02:01 PM
Fantastic looking project. Definitely something I want to try once the bank balance recovers from my current MAME project.

el_timbo86
14th September 2009, 05:25 PM
Hey guys,

I've recieved a few PM's in regards to my project, and i've had nothing but compliments from everyone here. For that, thanks heaps!! It really helps with the whole motivation thing, and makes building something a little different worth while!!

I'm rounding the corner with the build, I have the coin door lights and the start/extraball buttons wired and lit now; and i used a few mercury switches for a nudge sensor...

All i need to hunt down are the side glass rails, and some backbox hinges. If anyone here has any spares of either, could you please send me a pm.

For the guys who are interested, i am putting together a writeup on how everything works, and how to do it yourselves. Just bare with me, takes a while with everything going on!

Here is what Pinball Tales is looking like at the moment...playing Guns n' Roses!!

http://i374.photobucket.com/albums/oo189/el_timbo86/PinCab.jpg

Timbo

Emohawk
14th September 2009, 05:46 PM
That just look crazy I love it...

+1 on the build doc's on the DMD etc...

dbryar
14th September 2009, 06:27 PM
Mate, that is totally awesome.

Would love to read about what you are running inside, both h/w and s/w.

bigdaddy
23rd December 2009, 08:36 PM
Just stumbled across this post. freaking awsome. So much potential especially for all of us who have space issues. Can't wait for the interworking writeup.

WOKA
24th December 2009, 08:03 AM
Same here.. Missed this thread. What a great effort. Top marks.

Regarding the backbox screen, is it a larger LCD in portrait mode..? I can't imagine there being two screens in there..?

Nice job..!

relapse
28th December 2009, 10:39 AM
That looks amazing, I would love to have something like that. Very Jealous !!!! :p

Homepin
18th January 2010, 06:00 PM
It certainly is STUNNING! Very well done indeed. Info on where to get the S/W and how to get it all running would be GREAT

dezbaz
18th January 2010, 07:58 PM
How easy is it to get the pin mame program and roms?

retrogamer
18th January 2010, 08:05 PM
Im not sure that Pinmame supports 'spanning' multiple monitors....I think its only the newest version of Visual Pinball (VP9 i think) and Future pinball that support multiple monitors.....not certain on this by any means, as i dont use pinmame myself....Im a Future Pinball man!

http://www.pinballnirvana.com/UpDownload.html

God id love to have that standing in my living room! Awesome!

sparkaruss
18th January 2010, 09:02 PM
brilliant,amazing fantastic job!

ktm450
20th January 2010, 02:31 PM
WOW! awesome work mate, looks fantastic :023:

mcfly
20th January 2010, 03:23 PM
awesome !!! is there a lag between hitting the flipper button and the response on the table .. ohh and are you taking orders ??

kakab
22nd January 2010, 09:15 AM
Very nice , finish looks pro too .

What size screen did you use and what res is it running ?

You mame cab look cool too :cool:

el_timbo86
22nd January 2010, 09:43 AM
Guys, i really do appriciate the kind words, i wasnt sure how people would react to such a project, as its one that cost me around the same price as a project pin...

BUT it is a great way to play through the ruleset of lots of games i will probably never own...

To answer a few questions...

It is infact pinmame running the game ROMS. Pinmame and Visual Pinball are two completely different programs, that can be integrated together to create VisualPinMame.

With my particular setup, i use nVidia Dual view, which is not a spanned resolution. Each monitor has its own desktop, and i can customise resolutions for each.

Once i setup the table on my cabinet, its simply a matter of dragging the DMD window onto my backglass monitor, and resizing it to suit my DMD window (i hope this makes sense)

next...

Unfortunately McFly, i'm not taking orders at the moment. The top monitor is connected via DVI, and the playfield through VGA Dsub. I tried my playfield via HDMI, but XP didnt like dual view with that connection (note - HyperPIN frontend needs your setup to run Dual View not Spanned). If there was any flipper lag, i wouldnt have invested any time/money in a project like this. There is absolutely NO delay whatsoever.

finally,

The screen size for the playfield is 32" running at HD (1980 x whatever it is) and the backbox has a 22" vertically orientated, running at 1680 x 1050...

Hope this answers some questions...

Hopefully a few more of these projects start popping up as the price of LCDs are dropping these days...

Thanks again guys,

el_timbo

spot
22nd January 2010, 09:56 AM
wow!! very awesome - I plan on making a VP cab sometime this year.

one question! where did you get the lockdown bar from> - it is the hardest bit of info to find.

I need to know the sizes of the different types of lockdown bars and where to get them.
as the width of the lockdown bar determines the size of the whole project.

can any of the Pinny guys shed some light on the various lockdown bar brands and dimensions?

kakab
22nd January 2010, 10:01 AM
Guys, i really do appriciate the kind words, i wasnt sure how people would react to such a project, as its one that cost me around the same price as a project pin...

BUT it is a great way to play through the ruleset of lots of games i will probably never own...

To answer a few questions...

It is infact pinmame running the game ROMS. Pinmame and Visual Pinball are two completely different programs, that can be integrated together to create VisualPinMame.

With my particular setup, i use nVidia Dual view, which is not a spanned resolution. Each monitor has its own desktop, and i can customise resolutions for each.

Once i setup the table on my cabinet, its simply a matter of dragging the DMD window onto my backglass monitor, and resizing it to suit my DMD window (i hope this makes sense)

next...

Unfortunately McFly, i'm not taking orders at the moment. The top monitor is connected via DVI, and the playfield through VGA Dsub. I tried my playfield via HDMI, but XP didnt like dual view with that connection (note - HyperPIN frontend needs your setup to run Dual View not Spanned). If there was any flipper lag, i wouldnt have invested any time/money in a project like this. There is absolutely NO delay whatsoever.

finally,

The screen size for the playfield is 32" running at HD (1980 x whatever it is) and the backbox has a 22" vertically orientated, running at 1680 x 1050...

Hope this answers some questions...

Hopefully a few more of these projects start popping up as the price of LCDs are dropping these days...

Thanks again guys,

el_timbo

Thanks Timbo ,

Yeah LCD and plasmas are on their way down will have to start looking for some specials .

Karl

el_timbo86
22nd January 2010, 10:06 AM
Generally,

Standard and Widebody are the two sizes 'commonly' found. I spoke to Bumper in Melbourne, and they helped me with any parts i needed for the build. I actually picked up the lockdown bar from them as a second hand, as it had been 'repaired' by someone. I still have to refinish it, along with the siderails (its all getting powdercoated black).

@lien_Zed
7th February 2010, 02:31 PM
this is *extremely* professional

id love to have one that is *full size* :cool:

GEMINI
7th February 2010, 02:37 PM
great project
would love to play a set up like this

Dannymh
15th February 2010, 11:16 AM
i so want to make one of these now i have seena few come together

Dannymh
15th February 2010, 11:46 AM
Looking at this I was just thinking to myself about the new 3d televisions that are coming out, and this could end up being a good use for them once the price of them comes down

knight76
9th June 2010, 12:14 AM
Looking at this I was just thinking to myself about the new 3d televisions that are coming out, and this could end up being a good use for them once the price of them comes down

How good would that look.

You would need to wait for the 3d TV's to come out that don't require the glasses to wear, and then with the playfield on such an angle you would run in to issues with viewing angle I think to make the 3D work.

ppohlman
9th June 2010, 12:56 AM
... For the guys who are interested, i am putting together a writeup on how everything works, and how to do it yourselves. Just bare with me, takes a while with everything going on!

I can't believe that I missed this thread earlier. Very well done there el_timbo.

Was there ever a writeup posted somewhere? I'd love to look through it and maybe one day build one of these.

el_timbo86
9th June 2010, 11:28 AM
Thanks for the kind words there,

I have since parted ways with this machine, so in terms of a writeup on THIS machine, its not probable.

I do intend to build another pinmame machine this year (scaled down though) and document the build more accurately. Keep your eyes peeled for a new project announcement in the coming months.

Cheers,

el_timbo

ppohlman
10th June 2010, 12:19 AM
I do intend to build another pinmame machine this year (scaled down though) and document the build more accurately. Keep your eyes peeled for a new project announcement in the coming months.

Cheers,

el_timbo

Can't wait to see more of your fine work.