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DKong
5th July 2009, 11:35 PM
Another stage 1 project, starts here
http://i220.photobucket.com/albums/dd199/DKongAA/IMG_2120.jpg

http://i220.photobucket.com/albums/dd199/DKongAA/IMG_2121.jpg


http://i220.photobucket.com/albums/dd199/DKongAA/IMG_2122.jpg

http://i220.photobucket.com/albums/dd199/DKongAA/IMG_2123.jpg

http://i220.photobucket.com/albums/dd199/DKongAA/IMG_2124.jpg

http://i220.photobucket.com/albums/dd199/DKongAA/IMG_2125.jpg

http://i220.photobucket.com/albums/dd199/DKongAA/IMG_2133.jpg

http://i220.photobucket.com/albums/dd199/DKongAA/IMG_2134.jpg

daics3522
5th July 2009, 11:38 PM
Top rated machine bit like this one......................

http://evanmatthysse.com/worldwidepolls/pics/Collingwood.jpg

:lol:lol:lol:lol:lol:lol:lol

DKong
6th July 2009, 02:10 AM
Top rated machine bit like this one......................

http://evanmatthysse.com/worldwidepolls/pics/Collingwood.jpg

:lol:lol:lol:lol:lol:lol:lol

Haha, point taken, you filth should go well this year:p Rather the Filth than the Scum:lol

go the pies (can't believe I said that)

Edit oh yeah thats right 16 premierships (Carlton/Essendon) collingwood 13

Fish Tales
6th July 2009, 07:18 AM
probably as nice a Pinbot as you could find
:cool:

wingtipvortex
6th July 2009, 10:57 AM
Very nice Ben, it dosen't seem like it will take too much to bring it back.
Was it really that cold in the garage, comrade?:laugh:

DKong
6th July 2009, 11:21 AM
Very nice Ben, it dosen't seem like it will take too much to bring it back.
Was it really that cold in the garage, comrade?:laugh:

Cheers, everything seems is in place (Just).
Still trying to shake this cold, so was layering up last night, worst bit is I can't taste anything still, beer tastes like water:cry
Now just need some energy to strip it down.

narf_
6th July 2009, 05:30 PM
nice

one day id like to own all 3 in the set

rock
6th July 2009, 06:00 PM
that is my dream pinny id marry the bride of pinbot if i could!!

DKong
7th July 2009, 06:11 PM
Finally shaking this cold and decided to make a start on PinBot.

As you can the see in the last photo the displays are not working, they would work faintly on startup then gradually fade to nothing.
Was hoping this was a power supply problem as display glasses are pricey!. Quick look on the pin repair guide put me straight to the R1 and R4 resistors on the PS, sure enough one resistor had been piggy backed, and the other tested low.
Had a look through my components and had a couple of 39Kohm 1 watt resistors :D, don't even have to leave the house now.
Pulled out the PS board and replaced the 2 Resistors.
:cool: I have displays now,bright and no missing segments, except the 4 digit display (Credit / Ball in play) does not work at all. Not sure where to go with this part, I suspected it has outgassed. Is there anyway to test :unsure

http://i220.photobucket.com/albums/dd199/DKongAA/IMG_2137.jpg

Would it be possible to plug the 4 digit display in into either 3 or 4 player 7 digit display (same connection I think) to test if its the display?:unsure

DKong
8th July 2009, 10:49 PM
Started stripping the PF tonight. Hated playing it (all of 4 games :lol) in poor condition , missing rubbers etc .
All the switches, solenoids etc seemed to test OK, so time to get the PF running smoothly :cool:
One big plastic tub, lots of little plastic bags, a screwdriver and socket set and went to it.

Visor cover removed.

http://i220.photobucket.com/albums/dd199/DKongAA/IMG_2148.jpg

Left hand middle, lots of Star posts in this game and various different metal posts

http://i220.photobucket.com/albums/dd199/DKongAA/IMG_2161.jpg

Under the Bride, a bit of wear close to the Pop bumpers. (one Pop Bumper would not even press down, manually (top one))

http://i220.photobucket.com/albums/dd199/DKongAA/IMG_2165.jpg

Large Blue Ramp Removed

http://i220.photobucket.com/albums/dd199/DKongAA/IMG_2176.jpg

Lift Ramp, so far the PF looks pretty good, especially IF the mylar lifts well

http://i220.photobucket.com/albums/dd199/DKongAA/IMG_2187.jpg

Under the Vortex ramp, a bit of wear here, shouldn't be hard to touch up.

http://i220.photobucket.com/albums/dd199/DKongAA/IMG_2192.jpg

The Eye locks, more slight wear. Looks like the person who put the PF Mylar on, did the sections they could reach without removing anything .


http://i220.photobucket.com/albums/dd199/DKongAA/IMG_2201.jpg

Top part, you can see the mylar bubbling around the inserts, hopefully it will just fly off overnight.

http://i220.photobucket.com/albums/dd199/DKongAA/IMG_2205.jpg
Bottom part, and even more prominent here especially around the Sun.
Also you can notice the Special and 4x insert lifting

http://i220.photobucket.com/albums/dd199/DKongAA/IMG_2206.jpg

Finished the rest of the PF posts as well, so its basically stripped. Just have to remove the Pop bumpers and Flippers. Hopefully will get a start on the Mylar strip tomorrow.
Overall its in pretty good condition two inserts have lifted but haven't caused in damage. Most of the wear is in hidden areas, but will give it a go touching it up nothing to lose.
The BG is Excellent doesn't seem to be a mark on it :D

Battery went flat in the camera so will post some more pics tomorrow.

Can't wait to get the grime off, and then the mylar.

wingtipvortex
8th July 2009, 10:59 PM
Excellent progress mate, Anothe Williams classic will live again!!

daics3522
8th July 2009, 11:10 PM
Haha, point taken, you filth should go well this year:p Rather the Filth than the Scum:lol

go the pies (can't believe I said that)

Edit oh yeah thats right 16 premierships (Carlton/Essendon) collingwood 13

:lol:lol ......... Live for the future DK not the past......... :lol:lol

BTW: you did get your point across with that ...........

wingtipvortex
8th July 2009, 11:15 PM
"go the pies (can't believe I said that)"

Thats all that matters....:lol

Mickey Juice
8th July 2009, 11:23 PM
:o
http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2419/2535918230_8ebee221de.jpg?v=0

http://www.friday.com/bbum/2008/05/30/one-very-beat-pin-bot/

DKong
9th July 2009, 10:13 AM
:o
http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2419/2535918230_8ebee221de.jpg?v=0

http://www.friday.com/bbum/2008/05/30/one-very-beat-pin-bot/

Ouch! I think I'd wait for a CPR PF than tackle that one:)

DKong
9th July 2009, 05:49 PM
Finished Stripping the PF, Pop bumber area, most of the wear is here.

http://i220.photobucket.com/albums/dd199/DKongAA/IMG_2232.jpg

More shots of other bad areas, still hasn't had a clean.

http://i220.photobucket.com/albums/dd199/DKongAA/IMG_2233.jpg


http://i220.photobucket.com/albums/dd199/DKongAA/IMG_2234.jpg

The Special Ramp:laugh:, the insert has lifted that much it would launch a ball.

http://i220.photobucket.com/albums/dd199/DKongAA/IMG_2236.jpg

Quick wipe over, doesn't look to bad at all. (pre mylar removal)

http://i220.photobucket.com/albums/dd199/DKongAA/IMG_2241.jpg

A trip to Bunning's for some stripping stuff. DeSolvit is the bomb for Mylar removal. Razor blades for lifting the Mylar, rags for wiping up the gooey mess. They didn't have any Isopropyl alcohol , so bought some Shellite , can I use this to wipe up goo residue:unsure (not that I'm at that stage yet), I thought I read it here somewhere:unsure
And some Briteshine metal polish (never tried it) , I had run out of Never dull, and seems similar . To polish metal parts in between mylar removal for a break.
http://i220.photobucket.com/albums/dd199/DKongAA/IMG_2209.jpg

I started in an inconspicuous part, under ramps and used a corner, squirted a bit of Desolvit, and carefully lifted using the razor blade. I then kept rubbing the desolvit into the seam that is lifting (The more glue off here the less to do later:)), and just took my time, a very slow process :sleep.
If you feel like its starting to lift the paint put it down rub a bit of Desolvit and leave it for a few minutes or longer. The Desolvit will not hurt the PF, I have left it overnight no worries.
Use plenty of rags to clean up glue residue, I use white so I don't wipe the glue back on the PF.

Here is the top right corner done, looks shiny already.

http://i220.photobucket.com/albums/dd199/DKongAA/IMG_2243.jpg

Here is the the special insert after the Mylar removed, even though the insert has lifted 3 or 4 mm, the paint on the insert is well intact :cool:
You can still see some glue residue, this will be cleaned off once all the mylar is removed.

http://i220.photobucket.com/albums/dd199/DKongAA/IMG_2247.jpg

So have around a third of the PF done . Top and right hand side.

http://i220.photobucket.com/albums/dd199/DKongAA/IMG_2250.jpg

wingtipvortex
9th July 2009, 07:01 PM
That PF looks really nice under there mate. Is the mylar coming off easy? It looks like it is.

Youv'e got a week and a half to finish it, ready for play:laugh:

DKong
9th July 2009, 07:37 PM
That PF looks really nice under there mate. Is the mylar coming off easy? It looks like it is.

Youv'e got a week and a half to finish it, ready for play:laugh:

Yeah it does, problem is, it looks heaps better , so now will have to match the parts that didn't have Mylar covering them. Hopefully the Novus will bring the old to look like the new or similar, have to wait and see how far I will go with touchups.

The Mylar removal is slow, you have to grab at the right tension. Some parts remove easier than others. Its a bit of a buzz after doing a small section over a long time then a huge piece lifts straight off:D Its like voila, you didn't want to be there:D


Ha! a week and a half and you will be helping me buff and polish metal parts I reckon.
Here is some of the stuff I still need to do
There is a bit of corrosion on linkages under the PF, so will have to clean every solenoid housing case and armature including pop bumbers and the under PF Visor case needs some treatment.
Pop bumpers and Flippers (Parts on the way )need to be rebuilt. And I am going to upgrade these to the FL11630 Parallel wound Flippers instead of the Series wound, for better life on the EOS, and the coils are easier to get.
Plastics need to be cleaned and some flattened.
PF metal Posts all need polishing around 25 (can anyone do this for me in a tumbler or can I take them somewhere to get them done, I really can not be stuffed doing 50 Playfield posts (including star inserts) )
Star posts around 30 need cleaning.
Metal guide Rails need polishing.
All Ramps need cleaning.
Shooter rod needs degreasing.
etc etc and the list goes on, and there is heaps more do than that, :o I reckon you have Buckley's chance of me being finished:lol

Mickey Juice
9th July 2009, 11:38 PM
There's a good Pinbot restore by Cliffy here:
http://www.passionforpinball.com/pinbot.htm

Has lots of little tips about painting / touchups too

DKong
10th July 2009, 12:04 AM
There's a good Pinbot restore by Cliffy here:
http://www.passionforpinball.com/pinbot.htm

Has lots of little tips about painting / touchups too

Thanks for that, actually bookmarked that last week in preparation;), I haven't the cracking in the black and white paint like the one in the one Cliffy restored, so I am going to hold back on paint (except for the major wear), but it's hard to say at this stage.
Was just looking as some of your FunHouse pictures whilst searching for info, man you did an awesome job, have noticed you haven't tackled one like that in awhile. Any reason <_<
I started thinking half way through the strip the PF process, "here we go, why did I start this ", but have been getting a bit of encouragement locally, and loving it.
Putting a bit of bounce in my step as I progress, just have to stop trying to buy all the great parts available these days.

Colour matching can be hell so going to try and just do the worn parts without doing whole sections.
Will have to wait till all the mylar is gone, has OP Mylar over Factory Mylar, needs to be ALL removed though, its like looking through frosted glass.

Might have to hit you up on some painting tips when it comes to that.


Excellent progress mate, Anothe Williams classic will live again!!

Well here's hoping, going through the Mylar stage, can be make or break:p

You should start your POTO and just use this as a guide, strip the PF in an afternoon, follow along post some questions:unsure Might help you get the confidence to tackle it;)

wingtipvortex
10th July 2009, 12:24 AM
lass.





You should start your POTO and just use this as a guide, strip the PF in an afternoon, follow along post some questions:unsure Might help you get the confidence to tackle it;)
You hit the nail on the head mate! Im just not confident enough to start the project yet, i may fark it up and not be able to put it back together:(

I'll give it a shot one day though.

DKong
10th July 2009, 12:37 AM
You hit the nail on the head mate! Im just not confident enough to start the project yet, i may fark it up and not be able to put it back together:(

I'll give it a shot one day though.

Plastic bags and a permanent marker pen, and a large tub to keep everything in. Write whats what on the bags, take a squillion photos.
And the best thing you should do before you strip one is buy another first, so you have something to play while you are rebuilding it. ( A Pin to fall back on in hard times ;))

DKong
11th July 2009, 02:03 PM
Finished stripping the Mylar, only had a couple of small lifts, nothing to serious.
The PF needed some touch ups anyway so I'll just do these with the other.
Spent the last few hours getting rid of glue residue, 99% there.
So here it is before hitting it with any Novus , I'm pretty happy with the condition :D

http://i220.photobucket.com/albums/dd199/DKongAA/IMG_2252.jpg


http://i220.photobucket.com/albums/dd199/DKongAA/IMG_2254.jpg


http://i220.photobucket.com/albums/dd199/DKongAA/IMG_2256.jpg


http://i220.photobucket.com/albums/dd199/DKongAA/IMG_2258.jpg


http://i220.photobucket.com/albums/dd199/DKongAA/IMG_2259.jpg


http://i220.photobucket.com/albums/dd199/DKongAA/IMG_2260.jpg

narf_
11th July 2009, 02:08 PM
going to look good

wondering how much did this set you back

DKong
11th July 2009, 02:17 PM
going to look good

wondering how much did this set you back

Helping an OP get rid of his cabs, put him on to 48-1's (he thinks the sun shines out my ass now) he sold three the first weekend , so 3 x 48 in 1's and $300 , all up around $700.00.
Hopefully going to get some of his others as well Cyclone, Frankenstein, lethal Weapon, Class of 1812, checkpoint, Back to the Future and I forgot the other couple.
Should be doing this for a few years if all goes well:D

Foot
11th July 2009, 02:42 PM
Some good wheeling and dealing there DK. Should have fun fixing up pinnies for a while to come yet

narf_
11th July 2009, 02:46 PM
nice work mate

good price too

DKong
11th July 2009, 02:49 PM
Some good wheeling and dealing there DK. Should have fun fixing up pinnies for a while to come yet

Cheers mate!
Thats the plan, but I have learnt to not count the chickens before they are hatched, so one Pin at a time. ( and Op's are funny people sometimes :laugh:)
If all goes well I can sell some of the titles I'm not keen on (once restored) and maybe get a cookie cutter or two ;)

Mickey Juice
11th July 2009, 06:46 PM
Was just looking as some of your FunHouse pictures whilst searching for info, man you did an awesome job, have noticed you haven't tackled one like that in awhile. Any reason <_<

Heh, yeah, not keen to go through that much work/pain anytime soon ;) (unless I get the pin for next to nothing)

Plus I've learnt my lesson... don't buy a pinball sight-unseen! Unless you want a PF worn thru to wood ;)

DKong
11th July 2009, 06:59 PM
Heh, yeah, not keen to go through that much work/pain anytime soon ;) (unless I get the pin for next to nothing)

Plus I've learnt my lesson... don't buy a pinball sight-unseen! Unless you want a PF worn thru to wood ;)

Couldn't of said it better, the pain/skill of PF restoration is an art. Can't believe I tried it again, I am a sucker for punishment, but loving the outcome , this pin needs to be saved:D

AskJacob
11th July 2009, 10:03 PM
Class of 1812

Ohhh, WANT. I love this crazy machine!

Cheers
Jacob

Mickey Juice
13th July 2009, 08:13 AM
Ohhh, WANT. I love this crazy machine!

Cheers
Jacob

Me too :) Ever since I played one at my first Bumper auction.
Any pin with a chook clucking the 1812 overture is a winner.

Shock_And_Awe
13th July 2009, 08:47 AM
Nice progress so far Ben. Just getting rid of the dirt and grime on the playfield makes it look so much better. In the past there's been many nights where I'd be up late cleaning playfields and stuff and then the first thing I'd do when I got up next morning was rush out to have a look at what progress I made the night before. The improvements always make the effort rewarding and worthwhile.

You did well with the mylar removal. I've never removed mylar from a non-diamond coat pf so that would have been a bit scary. At least the black borders around the inserts are easy to touch up.

Now that you're up to your neck in pinball work.....someone start the next MGL now!!! :lol To be honest mate, that has been my problem the last year or two - always a pinball project occupying too much of my time!

DKong
14th July 2009, 02:09 PM
Ohhh, WANT. I love this crazy machine!

Cheers
Jacob



Me too :) Ever since I played one at my first Bumper auction.
Any pin with a chook clucking the 1812 overture is a winner.


I hadn't seen one before, imposing type of machine. Will keep you guys in mind if he wants to offload it. :)



Nice progress so far Ben. Just getting rid of the dirt and grime on the playfield makes it look so much better. In the past there's been many nights where I'd be up late cleaning playfields and stuff and then the first thing I'd do when I got up next morning was rush out to have a look at what progress I made the night before. The improvements always make the effort rewarding and worthwhile.

You did well with the mylar removal. I've never removed mylar from a non-diamond coat pf so that would have been a bit scary. At least the black borders around the inserts are easy to touch up.

Now that you're up to your neck in pinball work.....someone start the next MGL now!!! :lol To be honest mate, that has been my problem the last year or two - always a pinball project occupying too much of my time!

Cheers mate, this part can be the most daunting part, when you look at the big plastic tub full of a pinball machine.

A diamond coat Pf would be much easier I suspect, hopefully that will be my next one. The black around the inserts is nearly unavoidable sometimes, especially if the insert has moved. The paint sticks to the mylar when the insert moves away from it. But like you said nice and easy to touch up.

Would be a good time to start the MGL actually, can play games in between paint drying:laugh: Should really start on some of the metal parts, has a bit of corrosion on some bits under the PF :( Might just hit them with some Rustkill :unsure rub back with Shellite :unsure and polish. Its mainly brackets etc and motor housings, nothing seen but I don't want to see it every time I lift the PF;).


Removed the rest of the glue, magic erased some swirl marks and heavy tracking, leveled the inserts, gave it a couple of goes with Novus 2. Its so smooth now, and shiny :)

Overall shot

http://i220.photobucket.com/albums/dd199/DKongAA/IMG_2278.jpg

Inserts leveled

http://i220.photobucket.com/albums/dd199/DKongAA/IMG_2273.jpg


Top Right, all this is covered by ramps so will try to just do touch ups, without doing whole sections.

http://i220.photobucket.com/albums/dd199/DKongAA/IMG_2275.jpg


Top down shot

http://i220.photobucket.com/albums/dd199/DKongAA/IMG_2278.jpg

Will next attempt the touch ups, I'm no expert in this department but if it looks better I will be happy.

Just looking at the photo's I might spend a bit more time on the white areas (under the plastics) with a magic eraser. Camera is showing me things I didn't see before, to much discolour :x

Also the inserts are being flash retarded in the photo's

DKong
14th July 2009, 10:40 PM
Started the touchups, Using enamels as I won't be clear-coating the PF, just a wax.
A couple of colours are a dead ringer for Firepower so already had them:) (plus I knew the colour once it dried)
Filled some deep area's touched up some dark blue, did some inserts with black and a tiny brush starting to look complete.
Looks like it will need at least 24 hours between touchups even with a quick burst of the Hair dryer whenever I check on it. We are having -2 to 3 degree's overnight ATM down here so paint (especially enamel takes a long time to dry):(

Really have to wait before doing other sections as well as I may rest my hand on painted/touched up spot I just did, and believe me you can get carried away when you have the brush in the hand, oh just get that bit too, whoops just smeared an insert touch up:x
I will fill the main wear areas then rub back carefully on the painted areas, with some 2000 grit wet and dry if the brush marks are to noticeable and blend in with the surrounding paint.
So this is the patience part, just waiting for paint to dry:sleep

So finished up with as much paint as I could do and was time to prepare dinner so grabbed the ball kicker :unsure assembly took it up to the kitchen with some shellite, and old scotch brite, Threw them in a bucket together and started dinner.

Before

http://i220.photobucket.com/albums/dd199/DKongAA/IMG_2288-1.jpg

And after,all done whilst cooking dinner and amusing Dad, snuck it in between jobs:D

http://i220.photobucket.com/albums/dd199/DKongAA/IMG_2291-1.jpg

not bad for a couple of minutes work, and lots of elbow grease

Fish Tales
15th July 2009, 07:56 AM
Very nice, its gunna look awesome sitting next to your FP. ;)

DKong
17th July 2009, 12:10 AM
Very nice, its gunna look awesome sitting next to your FP. ;)
and F14 sort of the between game.
Backglass is near perfect, so stoked on this :D

Slow update, just cleaning parts under the PF, and touching up the PF, getting a fine hand with the brush might try an oil canvas after this:p.
Yeah so touching up bits, did someone once say colour matching is a bitch:o
So pulling separate parts from under the pf apart and cleaning them with shellite and then polishing the metal. Slow boring job so doing a couple of bits in between cosmetics ;)

Inserts I did with the brush look pretty good so far.

Will update photo's when paint dries, really want to start on rebuilding the PF. Still need a rock tumbler apparently we have a distributor here in Launceston, Boland st, so going to knock on his door in the next few days.
Things are happening in the land of the Vagina

Fish Tales
17th July 2009, 08:20 AM
Things are happening in the land of the Vagina

its too cold to shave em in tassie, unless they sell muff warmers at woolies? :p

DKong
23rd July 2009, 03:24 PM
Reached a point with the touchups where I am happy with the PF. Its not 100% by any means but sure looks a lot better for a bit of effort.

Pop bumper area before touch ups

http://i220.photobucket.com/albums/dd199/DKongAA/popbumpersbeforetouchupJPG.jpg

And after, the red is not quite right, hardly noticeable with the eye, the orange was a good match.

http://i220.photobucket.com/albums/dd199/DKongAA/popbumpersaftertouchup.jpg

and the rest of the PF.
Top left and grid where there was a bit of lifting, how many inserts:o

http://i220.photobucket.com/albums/dd199/DKongAA/PFafterTouchup1.jpg

Bottom left where there was wear in front of the Kicker (check previous photo's)

http://i220.photobucket.com/albums/dd199/DKongAA/PFafterTouchup2.jpg

and bottom right

http://i220.photobucket.com/albums/dd199/DKongAA/PFafterTouchup3.jpg

There are still a couple of inserts to tidy then I'm done with touchups its hard to know when to stop.
Will pull the PF out tomorrow and let it sit somewhere warm to let the paint harden.
While the PF is out I will clean up the inside of the cabinet, paint it satin black and start on preparing parts for the PF.
Also have to clean up some mechs from under the PF.
Looking forward to reassembly:)

AskJacob
23rd July 2009, 03:52 PM
Looking minty mate. Good progress too!

Cheers
Jacob

DKong
23rd July 2009, 05:23 PM
Looking minty mate. Good progress too!

Cheers
Jacob

Thanks AJ, it does look a lot better, and most of this is just labour , hardly any expense. The real expense is when I'm buying Pinball parts, just been buying a few each fortnight so it doesn't feel so bad in one hit.
Everytime I look at it I think hmm should buy a new one of those, and those oh and one of those :lol
Still have to send you that display too, I have kept your address will get on to it soon.

Foot
23rd July 2009, 05:32 PM
Looking good, what brand of paint did you use, did you thin it down at all?

DKong
23rd July 2009, 08:31 PM
Looking good, what brand of paint did you use, did you thin it down at all?

Using Humbrol Enamel hobby paints, like you get from the model/hobby stores little tins, as I am not clear-coating I need a durable finish.
I mix a little white or black depending on the shade I want to achieve and then add for drying. Usually a once off:laugh:. So I put it down.
Been lucky with most colours as they are a dead ringer, reds are :realmad:.
I have shown my previous touchups to Andy (Wingtipvortex) and he can't spot them I am like yeah just there, he's like what I can't see them lets have another game:D
Its funny you will get pedantic over a single section but the big picture is what you want.
I will still look at sections I didn't do quite right, no one else will see it but it will stand out like dog's balls to me and I will be saying that bit doesn't look right.:lol

I do make sure the PF is LEVEL so no paint will run and heavy wear spots usually means a couple of touchup to get the PF even.

Most of the time I am just dabbing, especially in flick wear spots where you can smooth the paint with a rag and it will fill the small divots.

Drying time is the killer with enamels in cold weather, have to wait so long in between drying so been ripping parts from the underside in between to keep me amused.

Its not perfect from any means and some parts could do with more to build it up in heavy wear areas, but from the eye you don't see it. (better than looking at wood)

I just do a bit at time ( and trust me you don't want to be doing heaps as your resting arm will lie in something you have already painted , how many times:rolleyes)
Well I need resting arm for a steady hand (Drugs are bad :lol)
Start from the inside out when doing the PF to save rubbing paint you have already done
When the paint is wet I sometimes I move the paint around with the brush in an area to get the evenness right.

Oh yeah buy the smallest brushes you can find start small, less damage, and if it looks bad wipe it off and start again,.

It's like painting with numbers, without the colour matchup ;), stay between the lines ;) the print is there just follow it, your not creating a masterpiece, just filling the gaps:D

Hope that helps in some way

Shock_And_Awe
23rd July 2009, 08:52 PM
It's coming along great! You've got to be happy with the touch-ups - as you said you can get pedantic over small imperfections in sections but the big picture is still what you want. Well done!

Mickey Juice
23rd July 2009, 09:03 PM
Nice work mate.

I was going to ask you what you did with lower spots, but you answered it above ie few layers of paint.

You're right about matching red! I had trouble with red and navy blue. Some others on the other hand, matched out of the bottle!

DKong
23rd July 2009, 09:12 PM
So while waiting to paint dry, what do you do....... Pull parts from under the PF (one by one) and give them a good clean, damn daunting job all at once but get one section on its own and make it your Bitch ( err Bride)

So Target/Visor Mech motor before

http://i220.photobucket.com/albums/dd199/DKongAA/Visormotorunderneathbefore.jpg

Soaked in Shellie, and rubbed backed with some gritty Wet/Dry depending on the corrosion and finished with Scotchbrite pads and then polished with Briteshine.
I found the motor cover in the back of the cabinet (bonus :)).

http://i220.photobucket.com/albums/dd199/DKongAA/visormotorunderneathafter.jpg

Its not chromed minty fresh but a hell of a lot better with a bit of elbow grease, must of worked as the crud is still on my hands and the bucket of shellite was a a nice rusty orange colour

stuba
23rd July 2009, 09:28 PM
some really nice work DK :) your playfield touch ups are xlnt and nice tip on the hobby enamels. shame you live in the antarctic, we could keep you busy with that sort of quality work. ;)

Nick64
23rd July 2009, 09:45 PM
Great work on your Pinbot coming up beautiful, just a question did you paint colour straight on playfield or did you prime the bare areas first. cheers nick

DKong
23rd July 2009, 09:59 PM
some really nice work DK :) your playfield touch ups are xlnt and nice tip on the hobby enamels. shame you live in the antarctic, we could keep you busy with that sort of quality work. ;)

Bloody freezing cold down here ATM, was giving the PF a burst of heat with the Hair dryer the other day and a bit of Magic eraser must of got caught in.
It went into overdrive and then smoked its way into oblivion, was like **** this thing is going to explode.:o

A bit of patience, categorise every part, and lots of elbow grease and some more patience. Is the key for any Resto


Great work on your Pinbot coming up beautiful, just a question did you paint colour straight on playfield or did you prime the bare areas first. cheers nick

Good question, in hindsight should of layered the heavy wear section first with a neutral colour would of made build up easier. Good point ;)

I did clean the PF , with Desolit, ISO and Shelitte, and then Novus 2, before touch ups , and none of these products hurt the original paint ;) plus leave a clean surface to paint on.

Like I said this will be a WAX PF no CLEARCOAT, just for the budget guys, my FP is 2 years on now and holds up well.

wingtipvortex
23rd July 2009, 10:13 PM
Good job on the corrosion removal mate, slick work! A bit of elbow grease and some dedication to the resto:cool:

As you say, i didn't notice the touch ups, but thats the reward, good stuff!

DKong
23rd July 2009, 10:40 PM
Good job on the corrosion removal mate, slick work! A bit of elbow grease and some dedication to the resto:cool:

As you say, i didn't notice the touch ups, but thats the reward, good stuff!


Just lots of elbow grease to neturalise the corrosion , cleaning everything will stop wear on the PF, no grime no crime:p

About time for an 80's song :)

Smashed up Targets's, these babies have seen more hits than Mike Tyson, think best to do all of them all otherwise they will be scarred for life. The photo's do not show the groove wear from ball hitting/smacking :)

http://i220.photobucket.com/albums/dd199/DKongAA/visortargetsPFfrontbefore.jpg


and the back bit broke off should I just glue it??

http://i220.photobucket.com/albums/dd199/DKongAA/Visortargetsbackbefore.jpg

Mickey Juice
24th July 2009, 08:58 AM
Good question, in hindsight should of layered the heavy wear section first with a neutral colour would of made build up easier. Good point ;).

I've also heard of people putting a coat of clear on before doing touchups to level it out.

DKong
29th July 2009, 02:05 PM
I've also heard of people putting a coat of clear on before doing touchups to level it out.

Will have to remember that next time.

Cleaned up the inside last night and today, I didn't go overboard and left most of the parts inside but for a bit a work it looks much better. Good old tuesday night TV for cleaning / polishing metal parts.

The inside before, only have the one shot :(

http://i220.photobucket.com/albums/dd199/DKongAA/insidebefore.jpg


And after, just filled some divots and painted with satin black, most time consuming was cleaning all (most of<_<) the metal parts especially the lock down bar mech.

http://i220.photobucket.com/albums/dd199/DKongAA/Insideafter.jpg


http://i220.photobucket.com/albums/dd199/DKongAA/Insideafter2.jpg

The vacuum cleaner died last week , so still needs a good going over with that on the base you see where I tried to use a small broom and all the bristles have come out:laugh:
Also looking at the photo's the volume pot is pretty corroded, (what isn't in this game) and the ball roll tilt mech. Must of been used near (or in) the ocean recently :unsure, just heaps of white corrosion on most metal parts.

http://i220.photobucket.com/albums/dd199/DKongAA/insideafter3.jpg

The metal mesh (under speaker, back of inside etc) are fairly corroded, can you buy this mesh anywhere:unsure

DKong
4th August 2009, 08:32 PM
Cleaned the rest of the inside over the weekend, ended up rubbing back the metal mesh, and just gave them a polish.
Pulled the coin door apart, cleaned it and gave it a quick repaint. Also touched up the front, and bogged the security latch bolt holes.
Also fixed the start button and removed that horrible surround (before photo).

Looks heaps better than what it did for a bit of time and effort. Need new insert covers, and coin return flap.

Before

http://i220.photobucket.com/albums/dd199/DKongAA/frontbefore.jpg


After

http://i220.photobucket.com/albums/dd199/DKongAA/frontafter2.jpg


Can finally start reassembling the PF.

Still need to buy

1 Rear glass channel ( can I just use the WPC ones :unsure)

2 Rubber ring kit (any recommendations on where to buy these in Aus)

3 Decal set for visor and vortex ramp(maybe)

4 Tumbler (going to look at one tomorrow Lyman pro 1200, had enough of hand polishing small posts etc) Will save a heap of time and handy for future restorations.

5 Stand up Red Rectangle target

6 3 x Red Jet Bumper caps

7 Novus 1, can't seem to find the spray bottle one in Aus

8 New legs , are Williams SS legs all the same size :unsure

No doubt there will be more, just remembered globes , lots of globes

Just awaiting on some other parts so I can rebuild the flippers, and upgrade them to the newer System 11 Parallel style.

DKong
7th August 2009, 07:01 PM
Spent more time on the inside, happy with it now. So whilst the Tumbler is doing its job tackled a few other jobs like rebuilding the flippers.
Pinbot is an early System 11 game and came out with the series wound flippers, later system 11 games had the newer parallel fliptronic flippers. This one had a cross between the two:o

Quoted from Pinrepair http://www.pinrepair.com/sys11/index3.htm#flip

Flipper Differences (Series vs. Parallel Coils).
Flipper worked different on games High Speed to Millionaire. These games used a series wound FL23/600-30/2600 flipper coil. The common lug (where both the low and high powered coil wires were connected together) on these flipper coils was the middle of the three lugs. Also these coils used ONE diode across the two outside lugs. The EOS switch on these games, when opened, enabled BOTH the high power and low powered coils together. This style of flipper coil did NOT use a 2.2 mfd anti-spark EOS capacitor. The problem with this series wound coil was the "back spike" of current that occured when the EOS switch was opened. This cause the EOS switch to excessively wear and pit.
With the introduction of F-14 Tomcat, Williams changed to the parallel wound FL11630 style flipper coil. This coil now used an outside lug as the common lug (where both the low and high powered coil wires were connected together). Also TWO diodes were used and required on these flipper coils. This parallel wound coil eliminated the "back spike" of current when the EOS switch opened. It also allowed the use of a 2.2 mfd 250 volt capacitor to further limit EOS switch sparking and pitting. Now when the EOS switch opens, this removed the high powered side of the coil from the circuit. The low powered side of the flipper coil is always in the circuit, but is essentially ignored when the high powered side is in the circuit. This happens because the current takes the easiest path to ground (the low resistance, high power side of the coil). The low power high resistance side of the flipper coil won't get hot if the player holds the flipper button in.


My Flippers before, not even sure what coils they are, capacitor mounted to coil, base plates need changing to accommodate newer return spring. Just the dirtiest flipper mechs I have ever seen.

http://i220.photobucket.com/albums/dd199/DKongAA/flippersbefore.jpg

Well I never skimp out on the flippers, after all these are the soul of the machine, so everything new here (except lane/feature change switch) including base plates to allow the fliptronic upgrade and the newer flipper pawl. Also mounted the coils the other way around as suggested to keep the wire terminals away from the coil stop. (vibration here will eventually break the coil wires)
Only just had enough length in the wire, hopefully I have wired them correctly!

http://i220.photobucket.com/albums/dd199/DKongAA/flippersafter.jpg

They are mounted with only two hex screws just to put them out of the way, still need to put the flipper bat in aline and adjust switches etc, but will need to do some more polishing on the PF before that.

I went a bit silly the other night and realised the legs were not correct length 31" opposed to the correct 28.5", so thought I had better check the rest of my machines. To my horror I would need 10 legs to get the correct height on all my pinballs.
So what does a guy do with a credit card, gut load of beer, and an online Pinball store, orders 10 new 28 1/2" legs:laugh:
Agh well at least they will all have the correct legs now.

So what to do with 8 x 31" (79cm) ribbed (Gottlieb :unsure) legs
and 2 X 27" (69cm) I don't know what these are from but no wonder my FP was hard to play :laugh:

Shock_And_Awe
7th August 2009, 08:16 PM
Great work Ben.

It makes such a difference all the cleaning and stuff you do to a machine like this!

This will be one of the best Pinbots going around when it's finished :)

WOKA
7th August 2009, 08:22 PM
After

http://i220.photobucket.com/albums/dd199/DKongAA/frontafter2.jpg




****ing WOW...!

wingtipvortex
7th August 2009, 08:31 PM
Great work Ben.

It makes such a difference all the cleaning and stuff you do to a machine like this!

This will be one of the best Pinbots going around when it's finished :)
Amen brother!!!!

It will sit well with Bens Firepower, F14 and T2.......All are in "imaculate" condition.
Great restoration mate. Elbow grease and persistance=10/10 result.

DKong
7th August 2009, 08:49 PM
Great work Ben.

It makes such a difference all the cleaning and stuff you do to a machine like this!

This will be one of the best Pinbots going around when it's finished :)

It sure does, my first F14 hasn't missed a beat in over 10 years, except for a score display dying degassing. ( fixed since thanks Judzebod ??? sorry forgot username, helped me out there).


****ing WOW...!

Mate it's nowhere near 100% at the front, sort of wished I attempted a whole repaint stencil job. Never done one before maybe next time.
But it does look better than all my others when it looked the worst before:)


Amen brother!!!!

It will sit well with Bens Firepower, F14 and T2.......All are in "imaculate" condition.
Great restoration mate. Elbow grease and persistance=10/10 result.

Right in between those two is where it will reside F14 and FP, should be perfect height with F14 both being system 11 the most busiest underneath PF's ever.
Immaculate *cough cough* I wish but shitloads better than what they were :) they play immaculately ;)
You are right Elbow grease, persistence and patience can make a machine play like new, and a few dollars;) 90 % is the enthusiasm.
But nothing better than having a new camp fire we can stand around and drink more Boags Red XXX.
Its like we will be in a new setting....Round a different fire :laugh:

DKong
17th August 2009, 10:58 PM
Finished with the PF and gave it a few polishes with Novus 2, then a couple of goings over with some carnauba wax, it shines:cool:

Started the reassembly.

After seeing so many good looking pinballs with the Cliffy coloured sleeves I thought I might try a few on this. Thanks RTBB (http://www.rtbb.com.au/catalog/index.php?cPath=138&osCsid=48b6e860c3d48ef3f62213fe38701391)

http://i220.photobucket.com/albums/dd199/DKongAA/IMG_2525-2.jpg

another angle and yes that whole vortex mech ( top right) went in the tumbler

http://i220.photobucket.com/albums/dd199/DKongAA/IMG_2528.jpg

I think they look the part :cool: not sure what that bit is covering the lites EB bit part, but its not actually on the PF as the photo might suggest.

I also tumbled the lane guides and stops you can see and came up a treat, trying some larger guides now, not to hopeful but so far its working a treat.

63wizz
18th August 2009, 05:51 AM
looking good mate, that tumbler was a good investment, must get one one day.

Ian

AskJacob
18th August 2009, 10:55 AM
I think they look the part :cool: not sure what that bit is covering the lites EB bit part, but its not actually on the PF as the photo might suggest.



That's your left sling kicker pawl.

Looking bloody good mate. Those cliffy sleeves look the part - a good colour match!

Cheers
Jacob

DKong
18th August 2009, 06:23 PM
looking good mate, that tumbler was a good investment, must get one one day.

Ian

Thanks Ian, yes the tumbler was a good investment:) Wasn't sure about spending that much money, but I'm glad I did now.


That's your left sling kicker pawl.

Looking bloody good mate. Those cliffy sleeves look the part - a good colour match!

Cheers
Jacob

:laugh: Of course.

The cliffy post are great, not much money for a good effect.

DKong
20th August 2009, 09:11 PM
Something came back to haunt me on this one.
Try to cut a long story short here.
When I first saw this machine the "Op" cough cough was trying to fix the top right pop bumper, he said it blew the fuse, I was like just put the correct one in, I have one at home if you want me to bring it down, he was like I have the correct one, and will replace it, I said if it is blowing the fuse all the time don't try a bigger one<_<


So when rebuilding the pop bumpers I noticed the top right solenoid was bulged, you couldn't push the shaft in, heated ****ed to be exact,

So time to check the fuses, part time op man put a 5 amp slo blo in where it clearly states 4 amp, so thius is what we have

http://i220.photobucket.com/albums/dd199/DKongAA/IMG_2564.jpg

the leg is totally split from this TIP122 ( Q79) and the heatsink part as well :o will put in a TIP102, and the pre 2N4401 is not giving a reading so will have to replace that as well.

Do you think I will have to replace the TTL 7408 as well :( , can I buy the 2N4401 pre-driver transistor locally :unsure

the other pre drivers and Q resitors are all good and the rest of boards look great except for this Trannie

Help

63wizz
21st August 2009, 05:52 AM
Hi Ben, the parts you are after are available from Futurlec.
http://www.futurlec.com.au/Search.jsp?

Ian

just looked and i have some 2N4401 here if you need, PM your address.

AskJacob
21st August 2009, 09:29 AM
You only need to replace the 7408 if you replace the pre-driver and driver transistor and it is still playing up. While they sometimes do need replacing after the transistors let go, I have found it is less than 50% of the time...

Just be careful when powering up, and keep an eye on the coil - if it is still locked on kill the power and you won't let the magic smoke out of your new transistors.

Cheers
Jacob

DKong
24th August 2009, 11:20 AM
Hi Ben, the parts you are after are available from Futurlec.
http://www.futurlec.com.au/Search.jsp?

Ian

just looked and i have some 2N4401 here if you need, PM your address.

Thanks mate got them today :)


You only need to replace the 7408 if you replace the pre-driver and driver transistor and it is still playing up. While they sometimes do need replacing after the transistors let go, I have found it is less than 50% of the time...

Just be careful when powering up, and keep an eye on the coil - if it is still locked on kill the power and you won't let the magic smoke out of your new transistors.

Cheers
Jacob

Cheers AJ I will replace pre and driver transistor first and give it a whirl :)

DKong
26th August 2009, 12:54 AM
Great progress today, decided to get stuck in today and it paid off.
Removed the CPU board and put in the new transistors, just has I put the board in the parcel I was awaiting arrived, new coil sleeves, star posts, target mech, rubber kit, vortex ramp decals, globes etc, now I can rebuild the PF;)

BTW does anyone know where the 1251 flashlamps go, the manual is not very specific, as they run on the 50v I don't want to put #89's in there.
It say's Right and Left Visor General Illumination so I suspect they are the ones on the PF below the visor, behind the lock eyes at the top, there are 4 here.
But which ones are the Robot face - Insert Bd. What does Insert Bd actually mean in the manual ( the back box?), there is a space in the centre of the backbox for two flashers, are these the insert board ones, I have a sneaky suspicion they are, but would love some clarification ;)
The only other option if no one knows for sure is to measure the voltage at each flash lamp to see which is which. 50 v for the # 1251 or 28 V? for the #89. Which means waiting till I am ready to power it on :o
Damn williams manuals, no which post is which, which globe is which and rubber diagrams for god's sake did you think that someone would not ever replace these.
Anyway here are some updates, not showing the boring pop bumper rebuilds, we all know how tedious these ****ers can be<_<
http://i220.photobucket.com/albums/dd199/DKongAA/PFafter3.jpg

http://i220.photobucket.com/albums/dd199/DKongAA/PFafter.jpg

Some random Taswegian AA Guy, should of been helping but wanted to play games :p

http://i220.photobucket.com/albums/dd199/DKongAA/AA1.jpg

Back to where the real work is done ;)

http://i220.photobucket.com/albums/dd199/DKongAA/PFafter4.jpg

Another Taswegian AA member, think I need pest control :lol Cheers for that night mate, needed it, ate all your beef jerky and drank all your jim beam, owe you one. You can see the tatt in the photo what is it??
http://i220.photobucket.com/albums/dd199/DKongAA/AA2.jpg

The rubber on the back 4 blue star posts is wrong in the photo it has now been corrected was going from the ops rubber placement and realised it was a bit wrong, does now have a single rubber around the end blue star post, well you get the drift.

http://i220.photobucket.com/albums/dd199/DKongAA/Pfafter2.jpg

Fish Tales
26th August 2009, 07:23 AM
very nice DK :cool:

DKong
28th August 2009, 10:19 AM
very nice DK :cool:

Cheers EB :)

Some more of the PF coming together, I have been doing a bit of the top then switching to the under underside. Three more coils to disassemble and clean, a couple of switches to straighten, a few more inserts to clean and the underneath will be done.:D

http://i220.photobucket.com/albums/dd199/DKongAA/IMG_2594.jpg

Getting some reflection on the PF :cool:

http://i220.photobucket.com/albums/dd199/DKongAA/IMG_2596.jpg

http://i220.photobucket.com/albums/dd199/DKongAA/IMG_2598.jpg

http://i220.photobucket.com/albums/dd199/DKongAA/IMG_2595.jpg

DKong
30th August 2009, 11:10 PM
All underside of the PF is finished , woohoo.

Nearly everything had to be stripped and cleaned from under the playfield. All coil sleeves replaced, coil plungers polished, inserts cleaned etc, here is an example of some parts before and after.

http://i220.photobucket.com/albums/dd199/DKongAA/IMG_2653.jpg


http://i220.photobucket.com/albums/dd199/DKongAA/IMG_2659.jpg


And the rest of the top side coming together. Nearly there :D

http://i220.photobucket.com/albums/dd199/DKongAA/IMG_2663.jpg

Big blue ramp installed

http://i220.photobucket.com/albums/dd199/DKongAA/IMG_2670.jpg


http://i220.photobucket.com/albums/dd199/DKongAA/IMG_2671.jpg


http://i220.photobucket.com/albums/dd199/DKongAA/IMG_2672.jpg

Might have to test it out tomorrow if I get a chance to finish it, hopefully the transistor, coil lock problem on the pop bumper has been rectified. I have double checked everything but will do it it again just before I flick the switch, fingers crossed :laugh:
Will be that moment of panic just before turning it on:o

daics3522
30th August 2009, 11:26 PM
Very nice......... Shine me, Shine me..........

wingtipvortex
30th August 2009, 11:40 PM
Those kickers and shafts have come up like new mate!! Very nice work indeed.
Will it be ready for this Friday?:D

DKong
2nd September 2009, 02:11 PM
Those kickers and shafts have come up like new mate!! Very nice work indeed.
Will it be ready for this Friday?:D

Flicked the switch last night, 100% percent working:D

Thanks 63 Wizz and AJ the transistor and pre transistor fixed the pop bumper.

Just polishing the topper, and its done!
Apart from one #555 globe holder:lol

WOKA
2nd September 2009, 02:46 PM
Nice job Benny Boy..!

stuba
2nd September 2009, 03:29 PM
yep. super job DK. great to see resto's of this quality. :023::023:

DKong
2nd September 2009, 04:43 PM
Nice job Benny Boy..!

.


yep. super job DK. great to see resto's of this quality. :023::023:

Thanks guys, will try and post some pictures tonight. To busy playing :lol

63wizz
2nd September 2009, 05:19 PM
Flicked the switch last night, 100% percent working:D

Thanks 63 Wizz and AJ the transistor and pre transistor fixed the pop bumper.

Just polishing the topper, and its done!
Apart from one #555 globe holder:lol

thats ok Ben, only to glad to help out if i can.

Ian.

wingtipvortex
2nd September 2009, 06:50 PM
Top effort!! Cant wait to play it Ben.

DKong
2nd September 2009, 10:56 PM
thats ok Ben, only to glad to help out if i can.

Ian.

Anytime your in Launie call in, for a coffee and a game your welcome mate ;).


Top effort!! Cant wait to play it Ben.

you will love this game :p has the balls of a good 80's pinball, firepower goodbye :lol

wingtipvortex
2nd September 2009, 11:02 PM
firepower goodbye :lol
Lets not get to carried away:lol
But, im really looking forward to playing Pinbot, ive never played one in the flesh before:cool:

DKong
2nd September 2009, 11:22 PM
Here are some photo's of the machine now, 6 weeks later, damn I am good :p

http://i220.photobucket.com/albums/dd199/DKongAA/IMG_2687.jpg

http://i220.photobucket.com/albums/dd199/DKongAA/IMG_2688.jpg

http://i220.photobucket.com/albums/dd199/DKongAA/IMG_2693.jpg

http://i220.photobucket.com/albums/dd199/DKongAA/IMG_2710.jpg

http://i220.photobucket.com/albums/dd199/DKongAA/IMG_2712.jpg

http://i220.photobucket.com/albums/dd199/DKongAA/IMG_2716.jpg

Hmm noticed the four digit display started working after a few games :unsure

http://i220.photobucket.com/albums/dd199/DKongAA/IMG_2724.jpg


Is it regassing it self or resistor troubles :unsure

Special thanks to Cliffy for telling me where the #1251 Flash lamps go, back of the PF and the EYE's in the backbox, actually emailed him from his Pinbot resto ( was using it as inspiration) and was most friendly , didn't realise he was the Cliffy man of posts etc.
Top man and he was impressed with my resto.Actually called it beautiful :o
So I owe it all to ME :lol, and Cliffy, and Ian, and AJ, and Wingtip for being a nagging bitch :lol.,
And Wayne , Mr Pinball , RTBB for getting me on to those Cliffy posts, plus your coils are half the price Wayne charges, Marco for having everything love you guys, one big order there would of saved me heaps, you guys rock :)
And pinball heaven for the base plates of the flippers, those guys rock too.
Pinbot is saved for evermore ;)

DKong
2nd September 2009, 11:34 PM
**** it wouldn't let me upload 17 pictures:unsure I only did 5:unsure

http://i220.photobucket.com/albums/dd199/DKongAA/IMG_2710.jpg

http://i220.photobucket.com/albums/dd199/DKongAA/IMG_2688.jpg

http://i220.photobucket.com/albums/dd199/DKongAA/IMG_2711.jpg

http://i220.photobucket.com/albums/dd199/DKongAA/IMG_2712.jpg

Anyway sorry for repeats plus I took these photos' with a few brews in me :p hey Woka


Lets not get to carried away:lol
But, im really looking forward to playing Pinbot, ive never played one in the flesh before:cool:

Nah this game rocks, Its like firepower, with a bit more heat, SS games from the late 80's
IE system 11 pinballs have so much, **** DMD games leave it to the Gay pinball community of toys :p and displays:p

How good does it feel to play the game like it should, Sweet Jesus. feel like a newbie out of the box.
All those hours have paid off, love it, can't wait till my mate(s) get up here and give it a good working over, and tweak it ;)

AskJacob
3rd September 2009, 09:10 AM
Anyway sorry for repeats plus I took these photos' with a few brews in me :p hey Woka



Nah this game rocks, Its like firepower, with a bit more heat, SS games from the late 80's
IE system 11 pinballs have so much, **** DMD games leave it to the Gay pinball community of toys :p and displays:p

How good does it feel to play the game like it should, Sweet Jesus. feel like a newbie out of the box.
All those hours have paid off, love it, can't wait till my mate(s) get up here and give it a good working over, and tweak it ;)

Good stuff - sounds like you are already enjoying the results of your labour!

Re-gassing? Nah, you can sometimes have them fully work after warming up, but that is usually "half" segments missing, not whole segments or the whole display.

I reckon you are on the ball with the resistor comments. Bloody common problem, kind of simple fix. Could also be dirty connectors or cracked solder joints on the pins, but if the display resistors have not been done yet, it can only help!

Cheers
Jacob

DKong
3rd September 2009, 09:21 AM
Good stuff - sounds like you are already enjoying the results of your labour!

Re-gassing? Nah, you can sometimes have them fully work after warming up, but that is usually "half" segments missing, not whole segments or the whole display.

I reckon you are on the ball with the resistor comments. Bloody common problem, kind of simple fix. Could also be dirty connectors or cracked solder joints on the pins, but if the display resistors have not been done yet, it can only help!

Cheers
Jacob

I think I enjoyed it a bit to much last night, I overdid it with the Wild Turkey and homebrew ( sorry if I offended anyone last night in my drunken, rambling state :redface )
But had to celebrate :D

The 4 digit display, gained segments the more I played, more of a flickering but was getting more solid the more I played.

I will do a video (sober :rolleyes) to really show it off.

This to me is the best part of this hobby, when you get a machine destined for the parts basket, and give it a new lease of life.
Hopefully this game will now be the enjoyment for other people for another 25 years;)

Foot
3rd September 2009, 09:26 AM
Nice one DK, great job on the resto :023:

DKong
3rd September 2009, 09:38 AM
Nice one DK, great job on the resto :023:

Cheers Foot, I will say Firepower was a lot easier, ie PF parts. I just kept looking at the large bucket of parts during the restore and thinking HTF am I going to get this back together:laugh:
Even though I took a shit load of photo's I wish I took more sometimes, will stress you can never take enough photo's when doing a strip down, it can be easy to get carried away and just start pulling everything off.
Even holding the screw that you have just removed from a part and taking a photo of it in front of the section can save you heaps of time when putting it back together.

spriggy
7th September 2009, 07:55 PM
:o Just finished reading the whole thread.
Impressive work m8 :cool:

DKong
7th September 2009, 08:44 PM
:o Just finished reading the whole thread.
Impressive work m8 :cool:

Thanks, was going great till the plastic that covers the eyes/locks broke on the weekend ( had more cracks than mardi gra , so was only a matter of time) now the ball gets stuck up in the visor sometimes ( that doesn't sound right in that context:lol:lol )

Seems this plastic is sold out everywhere as well, so if anyone knows where or has one it would be grealty appreciated.

I will have to take some better photo's as well, just looking at my beer influenced ones at the end, don't do it justice :)

DKong
19th September 2011, 06:20 PM
One thing I never did on this resto was replace the saucer locks, and of the course the balls would bounce quite often, so after purchasing some near on 12 months ago I finally got around
to installing them today, WOW what a difference.

Here are the old ones, they were pretty hammered.

http://i220.photobucket.com/albums/dd199/DKongAA/DSCN3522.jpg

and compared to a new one ( and no this new one is one for FP I used the Red translucent ones for PinBot)


http://i220.photobucket.com/albums/dd199/DKongAA/DSCN3524.jpg

DKong
20th September 2011, 09:00 PM
Now rekindling my love of this machine (and getting back into the swing of things) I started to do something tonight which I had wanted to for a long time.
As people who know this game, it has a definite blue/red theme down each side which the the artwork and plastics reciprocates , I had a few LED's left over from ordering from RTBB (http://rtbb.com.au/catalog/index.php), only Red unfortunately
need to get some blues for the left side.
Not many games can get away with GI coloured LED's but this will be a winner I think, It doesn't have a lot of GI lighting around 6 each side anyway will let the pics do the talking.
I have only done the right sling shot area 3 LED's in total but what an impact:)

http://i220.photobucket.com/albums/dd199/DKongAA/IMG_3323.jpg


Now imagine the whole left side blue lit :)

http://i220.photobucket.com/albums/dd199/DKongAA/IMG_3322.jpg

http://i220.photobucket.com/albums/dd199/DKongAA/IMG_3321.jpg

http://i220.photobucket.com/albums/dd199/DKongAA/IMG_3320.jpg

http://i220.photobucket.com/albums/dd199/DKongAA/IMG_3319.jpg


I think the blue on the left will really set it off even more as the red from the Pop bumpers gives it a heavy red glow already on the right.

DKong
21st September 2011, 12:28 AM
Maybe I should of put a rubber duck in there instead :lol

wingtipvortex
21st September 2011, 12:42 AM
Maybe I should of put a rubber duck in there instead :lol
Don't do that......the Star Wars fans might blame George Lucas for changing your pinball from an original to an updated version! Then its worthless:lol

DKong
21st September 2011, 12:57 AM
Don't do that......the Star Wars fans might blame George Lucas for changing your pinball from an original to an updated version! Then its worthless:lol

the rubber duck mod gets better response :lol

Should I mod my original pinball from the designers original thoughts, thats OK tamper with Star Wars NOOOOOOOO!

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the rubber duck mod gets better response :lol

Should I mod my original pinball from the designers original thoughts, thats OK tamper with Star Wars NOOOOOOOO!

Man it's going to look awesome with the blue LED's on the left side, love this pin, and era so glad I found it nearly thrown away

devil rider
21st September 2011, 01:32 AM
WTF is it with the DUCK mods???

PINduck, DUCKbot

PINBOT is awesome, your cab looks really nice, perhaps they used no-fade red on these machines as mine is
really good too

perhaps you should clock in your thoughts here........

http://www.aussiearcade.com/showthread.php/44226-PINBALL-clash-of-the-Titans?highlight=clash

mine came from Italy as a Tournament machine still with the POLAROID Camera housing that took your
photo when the knocker popped

pre resto image with housing & post resto with new topper images attached

check it

DR

DKong
21st September 2011, 02:07 AM
WTF is it with the DUCK mods???

PINduck, DUCKbot

PINBOT is awesome, your cab looks really nice, perhaps they used no-fade red on these machines as mine is
really good too

perhaps you should clock in your thoughts here........

http://www.aussiearcade.com/showthread.php/44226-PINBALL-clash-of-the-Titans?highlight=clash

mine came from Italy as a Tournament machine still with the POLAROID Camera housing that took your
photo when the knocker popped

pre resto image with housing & post resto with new topper images attached

check it

DR

Awesome DR funny thing is now I have three pins with toppers , PB, F14 ( the best topper ever) and FT (second),
I used to think FP is the best Pinball ever now it's PinBot, after playing a plethora of DMD's this game has it all and 1986.

Thanks for checking out my thread man will post some pics when I do the left side blue GI LED :)

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Here is a little photo video of the resto, thought dirty eye's was fitting


http://youtu.be/BRnUPhv7u1w

devil rider
21st September 2011, 10:59 AM
thats one of the best resto vids ever...........really well done :023:

makes me want to make a vid one day out of all the images i have, especially the huge amount
of mods ive fabricated

thanks

DR

Rat
21st September 2011, 10:59 PM
Looking good, great pinnie, always has been one of my favs.
Wondering if you can boost the flipper power just a tad while your in the mood for working on it? Not too much, just a tiny bit quicker and more powerful would make it perfect :)

devil rider
22nd September 2011, 12:05 AM
Looking good, great pinnie, always has been one of my favs.
Wondering if you can boost the flipper power just a tad while your in the mood for working on it? Not too much, just a tiny bit quicker and more powerful would make it perfect :)

try this, seriously...........

http://www.aussiearcade.com/showthread.php/43864-gt-gt-gt-SUPERPINs-SUPERCHARGED-by-Subaru?highlight=slick

DR

DKong
22nd September 2011, 08:34 AM
Looking good, great pinnie, always has been one of my favs.
Wondering if you can boost the flipper power just a tad while your in the mood for working on it? Not too much, just a tiny bit quicker and more powerful would make it perfect :)

Not sure what your talking about they are maybe to powerful :unsure They are completely rebuilt and air balls happen quite regularly :)

Rat
23rd September 2011, 09:25 PM
Hmmm, perhaps I'm mistaking lack of skill for weak flippers? I just remember it being difficult to get the ramp shot, but its probably supposed to be :)

Looking forward to having a game when you get all the leds going.

Sent from my HTC Desire using Tapatalk

DKong
24th September 2011, 12:40 PM
Hmmm, perhaps I'm mistaking lack of skill for weak flippers? I just remember it being difficult to get the ramp shot, but its probably supposed to be :)

Looking forward to having a game when you get all the leds going.

Sent from my HTC Desire using Tapatalk

Last game I played it was flying around the top ramp :unsure

DKong
25th October 2011, 07:41 PM
Put a few of the blue LED's in tonight, a couple of bulb holders in the top left were giving me grief and I couldn't get them in, was going to replace them but then could not find my new ones anyway this shows the general look, really happy with it as the GI flashes off in certain parts of the game.

Still have to do the rest of the red on the right but will get there :rolleyes

http://i220.photobucket.com/albums/dd199/DKongAA/DSCN3676.jpg


http://i220.photobucket.com/albums/dd199/DKongAA/DSCN3673.jpg



http://i220.photobucket.com/albums/dd199/DKongAA/DSCN3672.jpg


http://i220.photobucket.com/albums/dd199/DKongAA/DSCN3671.jpg

wingtipvortex
25th October 2011, 07:43 PM
Very nice Ben, looks great:) Have you fixed those weak flippers yet though?:laugh:

DKong
25th October 2011, 07:50 PM
Very nice Ben, looks great:) Have you fixed those weak flippers yet though?:laugh:

Did hopefully fix the moving flipper ( have the wrong flipper pawl in the right one so will replace if the new bats don't help didn't move tonight , yet!) and also noticed the plastic protecter over the eyes has been smashed from to strong flippers, did about 7 ramps in a row and though of Rat everytime :lol

What pissed me off though was having a great game just under 2 million with 2 extra balls and the game resets :realmad: ( did this happen once when you guys were playing it if I recall ?)


Edit : and it does look great, cheers this is one game because of the Blue/Red theme that pops with the LED GI

wingtipvortex
25th October 2011, 08:02 PM
Did hopefully fix the moving flipper ( have the wrong flipper pawl in the right one so will replace if the new bats don't help didn't move tonight , yet!) and also noticed the plastic protecter over the eyes has been smashed from to strong flippers, did about 7 ramps in a row and though of Rat everytime :lol

What pissed me off though was having a great game just under 2 million with 2 extra balls and the game resets :realmad: ( did this happen once when you guys were playing it if I recall ?)


Edit : and it does look great, cheers this is one game because of the Blue/Red theme that pops with the LED GI
Yes, i do remember the reset. I think rat had a pretty good score at the time. It will look sweet with both sides done:cool:

devil rider
25th October 2011, 08:24 PM
PINBOT must have one of the best sequenced light shows ever....made even better with LED's

I messed with different coloured LEDs under the already coloured "planet" inserts until I got every one
a different colour when lit........very special indeed

cheers

DR