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kramer
16th August 2006, 05:06 PM
hey guys, never owned a pin before, and today one presents itself to me, as fate would have it...

it's a bally "harlem globetrotters (on tour? )" pinball machine..

it MAY not be working... it may be. owner recons it should but i dont know.. anyhow,
i want to know what it's worth...

it's missing the glass on top of the playfield, and the playfield is a bit faded. bear in mind this is like a 1979 / 1980 machine i think,

and its got the headboard also. it's got 2 hoppers. needs a full rubber kit ( any ideas what these cost? )
it's missing the metal legs too i think.

other than that it appears complete.

oh it's missing the actual ball i think. the playfield is a bit dusty.

is this a good project? and what's it worth? and of course...what should i be paying for it?

pretty stoked about the possibility of owning a pin!!
kramer.

also, there's a street fighter 2 machine there, with the boards. the monitor and chassis are f@#ked, but the rest should be good. it's got glass too, any idea on value?

The Pinny Parlour
16th August 2006, 05:22 PM
Hi kramer.

Others will chime in as my pinball knowledge is shite house.

I would say your on to something there, and as far as collectablity and restorability, your on a winner. Nice score. Pictures???

Ric
16th August 2006, 05:40 PM
umm - the descriptions sounds like a project - assume not working

these are great machines

check the following before purchasing

BOARDS - if aint got any of the boards (PCB's) - you will need to get these and they are not that cheap - check for acid damage from the battery on the MPU (top left PCB in headboard with the game ROMS)

Playfield - make sure not worn - faded ok and expected after all these years

as for parts

Ball US$2 from PBR (pinball resource)

Rubber kit US$10 - US$15

legs - try to track down locally as they are VERY heavy and will cost a bomb to ship

glass - get only TEMPERED glass - the ball hits the glass when you play sometimes. if you use plate galss you may need new glass soon....

Backglass - make sure not flaking or lifting paint. If it is make sure it is protected when transported

can't give you an estimate of worth without pics - email me and i may have the manual in PDF to send to you.

OR just email me re any questions

Not sure what you mean about hoppers - are they for the coins?

WELCOME

you can't stop at one.....

Ric

hamish_nz
16th August 2006, 05:45 PM
Not working $200-300

May need new displays, check for acid damage on the board.

kramer
16th August 2006, 05:54 PM
yea, hoppers are for the coins. i thought that's what they're called..
umm i dont know what you mean about back glass?
are you talking abotu the glass on the headboard? i think it's there.
the only real wear i can see is the bit where the ball shoots up when you fire it is a little worn, and also the spinner things with the basketball decals on them that the ball passes through. the play board and back board look pretty decent really.
what's this about peeling, and how do i check the rom board etc in the headboard for battery leakage.

also, assuming these machines aren't working, are they hard to diagnose / fix?
i've never seen in a pinball machine before, and never dealt with any.

price sounds promising..
what's it worth working, with the glass / ball / rubber kit installed, with it in overall reasonable / good condition?
thanks for the welcome also!
kramer.

Skybeaux
16th August 2006, 06:12 PM
Not working $200-300

May need new displays, check for acid damage on the board.

The price sounds about right to me.

It may cost you a lot to fix if the boards are stuffed., that's if their in it.

kramer
16th August 2006, 06:19 PM
not sure what's meant by "may need new displays." the artwork on the head looks really good nick. the playfield looks good too.

what prey tell would pcb's cost, should they turn out to be borked.

so far i'm in front...

hamish_nz
16th August 2006, 06:43 PM
On pinball machines of this era the score is shown on a alpha numeric display.

These displays have gas in, over time they lose gas and the displays dont work.
Also the displays run off high voltages and components on the display fail which leads
the loss of segments of the dsiplay (incomplete numbers).

You can repair lossed segmenents but you have to know what you are doing

garuda
16th August 2006, 07:06 PM
I paid $200 for my project Harlem. Nice looking machine though when restored.

Ric
16th August 2006, 07:58 PM
depending on your level of expertise this may be too much for a first time

where are you located?

if in sydney area - happy to look at game with you and tell you what may/may not need work

kramer
16th August 2006, 08:04 PM
i live in toowoomba, qld. 130km west of brissy.
i think that i could handle it.. i've got reasonable electronics expertise, and you guys for backup / questions.
even if i couldn't handle it i'm sure there's someone here who could.

Ric
17th August 2006, 08:55 AM
if you are not in a major hurry go to http://marvin3m.com/fix.htm and read the entire thing

if you are in a major hurry, at least print the pcitures of what the inside of the headboard (power supply MPU Lamp/driver board and sound board) and bottom cabinet (transformer and power distribution PCB - lots of fuses on it)

Check the MPU - if this has acid damage you are in for a fun time

good luck with it

Ric

hamish_nz
17th August 2006, 09:25 AM
Having restored a Stern Meteor virtually the same machine.
I can tell you its a big project and a steep learning curve.

please ask away and we will try and help out

Ric
17th August 2006, 09:45 AM
i have poured over these Bally's when starting out altohugh haven't looked at them for a while. They are robust machines with good electronic architecutre.

Even if the machine takes you a while, it will be rewarding

Ric

kramer
17th August 2006, 05:12 PM
ok boys i bit the bullet and bought it...
pics are uploading now..

56k beware... click on pics for big pics.

please tell me what you think. an estimate on value would be alright too.
the battery was replaced a long time ago with an external one.
there's some minor burn marks on the counter thingys.
also noticed the plastic at the top of the playfield is a bit cracked in parts.
and the back glass has a little crazying.
this machine has sat for 14 years, since 1992.
there's a few roaches in there too heh.

looks like putfile shrinks them. they were 1600 x 1200.

headboard:
http://f10.putfile.com/thumb/8/22803222814.jpg (http://www.putfile.com/pic.php?img=3215962)

closeup of cracking on backglass:
http://f10.putfile.com/thumb/8/22803331246.jpg (http://www.putfile.com/pic.php?img=3215989)

behind backglass: minor burns on counters.
http://f10.putfile.com/thumb/8/22803344362.jpg (http://www.putfile.com/pic.php?img=3215996)

battery board. notice battery's been removed. looks to be very minor acid damage.
http://f10.putfile.com/thumb/8/22803374743.jpg (http://www.putfile.com/pic.php?img=3216008)

another board:

http://f10.putfile.com/thumb/8/22803393892.jpg (http://www.putfile.com/pic.php?img=3216014)

boards behind headboard:
http://f10.putfile.com/thumb/8/22803412079.jpg (http://www.putfile.com/pic.php?img=3216016)

another angle:
http://f10.putfile.com/thumb/8/22803430597.jpg (http://www.putfile.com/pic.php?img=3216018)

other inside side of headboard: notice cockroach sh1t ?
http://f10.putfile.com/thumb/8/22803443555.jpg (http://www.putfile.com/pic.php?img=3216026)

outside angle of headboard:
http://f10.putfile.com/thumb/8/22803455763.jpg (http://www.putfile.com/pic.php?img=3216033)

and now a zoomed out view of the playfield. i'm using a flash by the way. there's no glass on it either.
oh and its pretty fkn dusty after sitting for 14 years unplayed..
rubbers are totally borked!
http://f10.putfile.com/thumb/8/22803471579.jpg (http://www.putfile.com/pic.php?img=3216039)

bottom:
http://f10.putfile.com/thumb/8/22803500818.jpg (http://www.putfile.com/pic.php?img=3216047)

middle :
http://f10.putfile.com/thumb/8/22803510925.jpg (http://www.putfile.com/pic.php?img=3216053)

upper section:
http://f10.putfile.com/thumb/8/22803521334.jpg (http://www.putfile.com/pic.php?img=3216061)

upper section again :
http://f10.putfile.com/thumb/8/22803543896.jpg (http://www.putfile.com/pic.php?img=3216067)

different angle middle section :
http://f10.putfile.com/thumb/8/22803553956.jpg (http://www.putfile.com/pic.php?img=3216070)

2 more pics below...

Ric
17th August 2006, 05:34 PM
the backglass is sweet

kramer
17th August 2006, 05:59 PM
swwweet!

this is the spinner damage i was talking about :

THIS is the spinner damage i was talking about... repairable?
http://f10.putfile.com/thumb/8/22803565675.jpg (http://www.putfile.com/pic.php?img=3216075)

and a quick shot of the front...
http://f10.putfile.com/thumb/8/22803583514.jpg (http://www.putfile.com/pic.php?img=3216081)

that's all the pics! PHEW!

hamish_nz
17th August 2006, 06:04 PM
Very nice it should clean up well.

You can buy new replacement boards

http://www.marcospecialties.com/Itemdesc.asp?ic=PS2518%2D18&eq=&Tp=

http://www.marcospecialties.com/Itemdesc.asp?ic=ULTIMATE&eq=&Tp=

you can also get new spinner stickers

http://www.marcospecialties.com/Itemdesc.asp?ic=31%2D1161%2DESP&eq=&Tp=

Skybeaux
17th August 2006, 06:38 PM
the backglass is sweet

Looks like the picture is bubbling and ready to peel.

I'd hate to see the back of it.

garuda
17th August 2006, 06:39 PM
Looks good. It is in better nick than the one I restored. Looks like you are going to need to stencil the cab artwork and repaint. If you need the matching red and blue colours send me a pm and I'll find what they were for you.

kramer
17th August 2006, 06:57 PM
artwork sounds pretty easy. but mayby not!

garuda
17th August 2006, 07:06 PM
artwork sounds pretty easy. but mayby not!
Artwork is never easy. Stencilling a cab is a very time-consuming job, even for more simple artwork such as that on Globetrotters. Wait until you have to stencil the shoe!:)

Ric
18th August 2006, 08:55 AM
kramer - pick your battles

you were like me when I started out fix this, no fix that etc

Fix the game first

no point having a beautifully painted cab if the game is busted

one step at a time

Ric

hamish_nz
18th August 2006, 09:08 AM
I agree with Ric start by getting the machine running first before
you look at cosmetics.

Dont start striping the machine down. Get it working first
then strip it down and clean it

Ric
18th August 2006, 09:20 AM
second hamish with that

keep the game whole and complete whilst fixing it - you can cause more trouble by pulling it apart

good luck

Ric

WOKA
18th August 2006, 10:18 AM
Good luck Kramer.., looks like you've got one hell of a project ahead.. Hats off to you for even considering such a thing..!



W.

kramer
18th August 2006, 05:37 PM
thanks man. i'll be picking up a bally mata hari too most likely, but one at a time. i'm only 23 so i've got plenty of time to fix it before i cark it!

any tips on preserving delicate things like the backglass art or the plastics on the playfield that are cracked?

and who's got a wiring diagram / service manual for these things?
i'll finish the lowboy cab before i start on the bally, but i'm really itching for some pinball :P
cleaned some room out in my shed so all is good. no rush.
kramer.

The Pinny Parlour
18th August 2006, 08:27 PM
Mata hari, Great pin oh boy your on a roll kramer. :023:

garuda
18th August 2006, 08:34 PM
any tips on preserving delicate things like the backglass art or the plastics on the playfield that are cracked?

and who's got a wiring diagram / service manual for these things?
kramer.

Use Kryon Triple Thick for the backglass and you can download a manual from the ipdb. Good luck! It is very rewarding in the end.

4_ur_amusement
18th August 2006, 10:23 PM
all bally 35s are the same same operating system as strikes and spares an post 80 sterns

first

how many times does the light on the mpu flash ?? if at all
then check what voltages you have from your power supply
check fuses and driver board and most of all check your connectors all of them !!!!! the model you have is so prone to bad connectors between boards and a slight + or - in your driver volts will upset the mpu

if when you first power it up watch for sticking solenoids if you have one or two dissconect the driver board otherwise damage will result i probaly have a manual pm me if your interested

kramer
24th August 2006, 12:51 PM
ok boys, got a scanned manual,

the mpu flashes once, then 6 times. this is normal :)

game powers up fine, and plays but once ball hits the apron outhole it doesn't register that it's time for next ball.

so far so good. and wasn't that hard so far either :)