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Savage
9th March 2009, 06:42 PM
Well it's started.
Starting to strip the playfield.

http://static.zooomr.com/images/7037186_cae8a72704_b.jpg

http://static.zooomr.com/images/7037189_e9265d3329_b.jpg

pinsanity
9th March 2009, 06:52 PM
Are you going to do the 3rd magnet mod while the playfield is stripped Savage?

(Or has the mod been done already? (sample/proto machine):unsure

Savage
9th March 2009, 07:16 PM
Are you going to do the 3rd magnet mod while the playfield is stripped Savage?

(Or has the mod been done already? (sample/proto machine):unsure

Nah, thats one thing I won't do. From what I read it was done as they believed one magnet on the right would not be powerful enough, in which they realised it is, so I'll be leaving the magnet situation as is...

shootar75
9th March 2009, 07:20 PM
That playfield looks pretty good to me. Are you one of those perfectionist types :p

pinsanity
9th March 2009, 07:58 PM
Nah, thats one thing I won't do. From what I read it was done as they believed one magnet on the right would not be powerful enough, in which they realised it is, so I'll be leaving the magnet situation as is...

No probs...I speak from personal experience when I say it was a lot of work to install all the components for the 3rd mag mod (and I wouldn't have done it were I not doing a full playfield teardown/clean anyway).

As for drilling a 10 cent sized hole though the playfield, I think I spent a week just working up the courage to position the drill bit on the playfield. (let alone drilling):o

I still can't believe you lifted a fully populated TZ playfield out by yourself- :)

Savage
9th March 2009, 09:11 PM
That playfield looks pretty good to me. Are you one of those perfectionist types :p

Ask Travis, I sure am.
Will be clearing it with 2 pac, not sure if I'll strip the underneath, if I can get away with sanding the grease from underneath off without taking all the components off I will/


No probs...I speak from personal experience when I say it was a lot of work to install all the components for the 3rd mag mod (and I wouldn't have done it were I not doing a full playfield teardown/clean anyway).

As for drilling a 10 cent sized hole though the playfield, I think I spent a week just working up the courage to position the drill bit on the playfield. (let alone drilling):o

I still can't believe you lifted a fully populated TZ playfield out by yourself- :)


Ahh, so you have done this, any real difference? Yeah I'd be nervous drilling into the PF too...

It wasn't an easy job to lift it out, even forgot I left the Balls in it, I put down to having to be fit for the Army Reserves, constantly doing Push up's :rolleyes

bwodie
9th March 2009, 09:16 PM
looking forward to this
my fav game :)
I have a cc'd nos pf and mini on the way from the US

pinsanity
9th March 2009, 10:18 PM
Ahh, so you have done this, any real difference? Yeah I'd be nervous drilling into the PF too...


1. Spiral mode registers the ball going through the opto beams for each magnet
(1,2,3, breakthrough)

2. Multiball--machine launches three balls and locks one on each magnet, holds for a couple seconds and then releases all three at the same time from the magnets so that all three reach the flippers at roughly the same time.

But for the machine to do this, you need to have locked the powerball into the gumball machine during that game so the machine knows it is not trying to "magnet lock" a ceramic ball. (still very smart software though)

The multiball is the better of the two and I think it only works with the Home roms also.:unsure

Like I said, it is a fair bit of work --as well as drilling the playfield you need to drill holes in the lane guides for the optos to work for the third magnet, add a harness for the optos and there is some board soldering work as well, such as adding the driver transistor to the aux power board for the 3rd magnet coil to work.

All the parts needed will probably set you back about $100 if you can get them locally, but I think pinbits in the US still does a kit for it which may work out a bit cheaper.

I followed this guide:
http://iobium.com/third_magnet_project.htm

Mickey Juice
10th March 2009, 12:59 PM
Ask Travis, I sure am.
Will be clearing it with 2 pac, not sure if I'll strip the underneath, if I can get away with sanding the grease from underneath off without taking all the components off I will/


Is there an advantage to clearcoating a diamond plate PF?

bwodie
10th March 2009, 01:15 PM
Is there an advantage to clearcoating a diamond plate PF?

only really if you want to seal in touch ups, insert replacement etc or if the playfields coat has worn over time, you can buff back, sand, and put a fresh coat of clear on

Savage
11th March 2009, 11:30 PM
Progress so far.
Still stripping the Play Field
http://static.zooomr.com/images/7052079_c3782f0222_b.jpg

DKong
12th March 2009, 12:20 AM
Have to get one of those PF holdem me jigs ... That PF looks good already

felixthadog
12th March 2009, 07:51 AM
Progress so far.
Still stripping the Play Field
http://static.zooomr.com/images/7052079_c3782f0222_b.jpg

Is that a street lamp below the yellow pop bumper? :unsure

Matthew

Shock_And_Awe
12th March 2009, 08:22 AM
Have to get one of those PF holdem me jigs ... That PF looks good already

yeah I was gonna say that myself....are you cleaning as you go Scott because the playfield is looking pretty damn good to me already.

dezbaz
12th March 2009, 08:29 AM
I would love one of these one day, so just joining the thread

Good luck!

Savage
12th March 2009, 12:58 PM
There's a a thread on the Pinball Rotisserie (http://www.aussiearcade.com/showthread.php?t=21699)

Basicall about $50 in materials + labor to make one, PM me if interested, but also Gamemasters makes a similar one for $140, so probably cheaper through him..

Yes thats a lamp post, nothing special about it really, just sits there.

No Cleaning the PF, will be sanded down, any touch up / repairs done if needed and then the two pak clear applied..

Savage
14th March 2009, 12:07 AM
Still Stripping the playfield.

First time taking the whole pop bumper off, and how shit of a job it is compared to a Data East pin.

I mean if all Williams pop bumpers are the same, you gotta undo about 5 nuts, 4 screws and then unsolder some connections and pull through flat wire from staples, far out!.... Data East, I think was 2 - 3 nuts unplug the connection and the whole thing pulls troughh

Shock_And_Awe
14th March 2009, 09:33 AM
Yeah pop bumpers suck - my most hated part of rebuilding a playfield. They definitely weren't designed to be serviceable.

Arcade King
14th March 2009, 09:55 AM
Well not on Williams games anyway.

4_amusement_only
14th March 2009, 11:38 AM
Well not on Williams games anyway.

Thats right, good point.;)

Arcade King
14th March 2009, 05:55 PM
Hey Scott what exactly needs to be restored on the TZ?

Johns-Arcade
15th March 2009, 09:44 AM
Hey Scott what exactly needs to be restored on the TZ?

Now that's a good question :) It looks very smick as it is!

Regards,

Johns-Arcade.

spacies
15th March 2009, 10:12 AM
Yeah I wouldn't clear coat it just for the sake of it.
Too many variables can go wrong. Maybe a quick scuff and polish instead?

Savage
15th March 2009, 09:45 PM
I'm picky, the wood underneath the playfield is dirty as, I've got soot on my hands from the PCB's..
Any Pin I own will under go a two pack playfield..

Also there's very minor wear, which I just can't ignore....

http://static.zooomr.com/images/7068550_a377803836_b.jpg


http://static.zooomr.com/images/7068555_84883de19e_b.jpg

Ballypinball
15th March 2009, 09:48 PM
orbitol sander will clean the back of the playfield nice

Isa Alcohol on the boards

o_total
15th March 2009, 09:55 PM
Very nice, this is something I can see myself doing down the track a bit. I am a bit of a perfectionist myself and I understand where youare comming from getting things right. And what a great hobby. Congrats great work so far.

Savage
15th March 2009, 10:06 PM
orbitol sander will clean the back of the playfield nice

Isa Alcohol on the boards

Must think alike, Orbital sander has been doing the rounds on it after this pic.

Thanks for the alcohol tip..


o_total - I'm a bit of a picky / fussy guy... and thanks

DKong
15th March 2009, 11:29 PM
Ewww on the gunk on that pcb, black as the Ace of spades and more left over.


orbitol sander will clean the back of the playfield nice

Isa Alcohol on the boards

Its Alcohol on this board :D

So what causes such a build up of gunk on the PF PCB's:unsure Is it Black rubbers:unsure

Savage
8th June 2009, 08:53 PM
ALmost finished the re-build.
As always all electrics are back and fire it up for the 1st time.

DMD has lines through it :blink:.
There's sound :), but sounds are a bit weird
But no lights, flashers or GI. :(

Unable to start a game.

Checked all fuses, all good.
Disconnected and reconnected back box.

Each time I power it on, presented with factory settings restored.

Will have a rest, maybe couple of days, to get some sanity back before tackling it further.

Once all up, I'll post progress pics.

AskJacob
8th June 2009, 09:04 PM
check and double check (and then check again) all the ribbon connectors in the backbox.

For some reason these ALWAYS need fiddling on a machine that has been apart for a while. Must be some pinball lore or edict?

Cheers
Jacob

Savage
8th June 2009, 09:33 PM
Ahh yes.
Ended up swapping one by one with my Indy.
Found one faulty ribbon.
So now sound and DMD are back to normal.
Just have to chase up the lights, and actually being able to play it :rolleyes

Railways
8th June 2009, 11:05 PM
check and double check (and then check again) all the ribbon connectors in the backbox.

For some reason these ALWAYS need fiddling on a machine that has been apart for a while. Must be some pinball lore or edict?

Cheers
JacobAhh yes AJ!!- you must have had my IJ re-install in mind ;)Thanks again fr the help.

shootar75
10th June 2009, 01:04 PM
ALmost finished the re-build.
As always all electrics are back and fire it up for the 1st time.

DMD has lines through it :blink:.
There's sound :), but sounds are a bit weird
But no lights, flashers or GI. :(

Unable to start a game.

Checked all fuses, all good.
Disconnected and reconnected back box.

Each time I power it on, presented with factory settings restored.

Will have a rest, maybe couple of days, to get some sanity back before tackling it further.

Once all up, I'll post progress pics.


spewing. Hopefully it ends up being an easy fix. Have to say your TZ was looking unreal!! Well done on the restore.

Max hasn't stopped talking about how scott has an Indiana Jones and Trolls pinball - rubbing it in all the way home :cry

thanks again for the hospitality :023:!!

Savage
17th June 2009, 08:22 PM
Alright, Time for an update..

After the Last photo, I then sanded down the playfield and glued in the inserts (to be certain) and then actually clear coated the underneath.
http://static.zooomr.com/images/7648541_c2e91e203e_o.jpg

While this was drying / curing I started work on the back box.

Backbox was stripped sanded, marks and small dings were bogged up.

These below photos are of it repaired, then black paint applied, then the hole thing was clear coated.
I then Sanded with 600 grit the back and sides (back maybe 800 grit) ready for the decals.
http://static.zooomr.com/images/7648474_721ae66929_o.jpg

http://static.zooomr.com/images/7648473_18f805d577_o.jpg

Decals sides done, ready for the Caution decal for the back to be applied
http://static.zooomr.com/images/7648476_2d5fba6286_o.jpg

http://static.zooomr.com/images/7648479_95c47ea752_o.jpg

Back Decal applied
http://static.zooomr.com/images/7648483_4ab793e87c_o.jpg

http://static.zooomr.com/images/7648482_c714449a6b_o.jpg

Next Cabinet

bwodie
17th June 2009, 08:34 PM
lookin real sharp man

Savage
17th June 2009, 08:39 PM
Cabinet time.
Every thing was stripped out.
Decals removed, cabinet stripped down and repaired. The back was torched as seen in the next photo, careful attention was done not to remove the screen print on it.
http://static.zooomr.com/images/7648485_bbc512309a_o.jpg

Then underneath was sanded down and masked up while the rest got hit with 2 pak primer filler, with some clear mix in, for sealing properties..
http://static.zooomr.com/images/7648487_c917878c83_o.jpg

Guide coat applied to help sanding to make sure no highs or lows were left
http://static.zooomr.com/images/7648484_7eb90dffb9_o.jpg

The inside then got the sanding treatment
http://static.zooomr.com/images/7648488_526132a08c_o.jpg

Some stickers that were present on the inside

Still looking for a scan or replacement for this
http://static.zooomr.com/images/7648489_f39d385a9f_o.jpg

This one was a victum of previous touch up, bloody dodgy, unfortunately it could not be saved, but I managed to make a copy!.
http://static.zooomr.com/images/7648490_a13da6e5fb.jpg

Not shown but I ended up, painting the sides black, and some panels, and then clearing the inside.

Then back on the outside I sprayed the black
http://static.zooomr.com/images/7648491_effa616937_o.jpg

Then cleared the underneath, the back and the edges.
http://static.zooomr.com/images/7648493_d5e46e0b57_o.jpg

After sanding the outside of the cab smooth for the decals it was time to fit the hardware back up.

But before that, the decals were applied.
Unfortunately one of the side had some tares in it :o, not to worry, did my best to fix it up. Come out pretty good (photos to come)

Now the inside
http://static.zooomr.com/images/7648494_1c030d1604_o.jpg

http://static.zooomr.com/images/7648495_6a48454eef_o.jpg

http://static.zooomr.com/images/7648496_abf9108df1_o.jpg

Savage
17th June 2009, 08:50 PM
Remember the stickers on the inside of the cab (also one on the underneath of the playfiled)

Well after some playing around in Paint Shop Pro, I printed them, laminated and fit back up.
http://static.zooomr.com/images/7648517_1b9a471c46_o.jpg

http://static.zooomr.com/images/7648515_d1df40667e_o.jpg

This is the back of the cab, new latch, new cover for the power coard.
Repaired the rails. You can see one of the tears (got the light at the right angle to show it up)
http://static.zooomr.com/images/7648514_e8d81cc133_o.jpg

http://static.zooomr.com/images/7648512_6e2b450de1_o.jpg

Side profile
http://static.zooomr.com/images/7648511_b104c31480_o.jpg

Some more of the inside, this shows the wiring wrapped up
http://static.zooomr.com/images/7648501_1dcc302ca1_o.jpg

Different angle
http://static.zooomr.com/images/7648509_48dd153d59_o.jpg

http://static.zooomr.com/images/7648510_86643a054e_o.jpg

Adding the LEDs
http://static.zooomr.com/images/7648500_336f976644_o.jpg

Small things done, like sticker n the control buttons, lock down bar, was stuffed, so was fixed and chromed, same with some other bits and pieces (stand things on the underneath of the playfield etc)
http://static.zooomr.com/images/7648516_68de5c7bc6_o.jpg

No in progress photos of the touching up the playfiled and clearing, I actually lost a lot of photos :(

But do have the after shots.
http://static.zooomr.com/images/7648504_86bdd4ad55_o.jpg

http://static.zooomr.com/images/7648505_9d4a8a09eb_o.jpg

http://static.zooomr.com/images/7648508_6a44ca9cdb_o.jpg

Even the rocket (mod) that is white got some treatment
http://static.zooomr.com/images/7497766_b385b5286f_b.jpg

As well, I painted every bolt that shows on the outside.
Mostly every bolt underneath and on the playfield got replaced, those that could not be replaced were cleaned.

The wiring harness also got cleaned. Plastics cleaned, hinges.. lots of things were cleaned / replaced / polished or plated.

Savage
17th June 2009, 09:09 PM
I will eventually buy a plastics set, but this photo is a close up of what can be done from the thread Reproducing Hard to Get Plastics (http://www.aussiearcade.com/showthread.php?t=22735)
http://static.zooomr.com/images/7497788_464a009edb_b.jpg



There's probably a lot of things I forgot to mention. Next time I write a log :rolleyes

Any way thanks must be give, no particular order. (if anyone missed will update this)

http://static.zooomr.com/images/7648518_f17f89a30f_o.jpg

Arcade King (Travis) - for screws for the mini playfield/
My Mate Glen - Welded up the broken screw / spring for mini playfiled and a scoop..
The Pinball Shed (Tony) for the mod done on the Power Driver board. (previously it would reset, and wasn't bridge rectifiers or loose connections)
Mr Pinball Australia (Wayne) for parts
RTBB (Greg) also for parts (also threw in some freebies ;) )
Shock_And_Awe (Mark) giving me a Sub speaker for nudda!
Woka (Dylan) for putting me onto a cheap and excellent electro plater

Everyone the gave advice in the threads about the wiring!..
And of course the great forum and it's members!..

If I've missed anyone I'll update this!

pinsanity
17th June 2009, 09:59 PM
Very nice Savage.:cool:

The clearcoating (shine) of the playfield looks great.:D

How did you find doing the main cab decal install? Did you go wet or dry method?

bwodie
17th June 2009, 10:20 PM
looks perfect mate
top job

daics3522
17th June 2009, 10:27 PM
looks perfect mate
top job

I am about to do a cabinet decal replacement and header box restore myself so I hope mine turns out as good as yours. My header box only requires a small amount of filler and paint so it should be all good.

Savage
17th June 2009, 10:37 PM
Thanks guys.
I did the decals all by myself doing the wet method.
When I do the MM restore I'll probably try the dry method with help though!

bwodie
17th June 2009, 10:40 PM
why would you switch to the dry method when your results are so good with the wet?

sleazius
17th June 2009, 11:45 PM
Looks amazing!

Dibs if you ever want to sell it - drop me a PM ;)

Shock_And_Awe
18th June 2009, 08:04 AM
Great work Scott! The clearcoat looks very nice and so do the new decals.

After all the hard work, now it's time to enjoy :)

Great line-up too btw!

hamish_nz
18th June 2009, 08:09 AM
wow looks great

well done

stuba
18th June 2009, 09:19 AM
nice!
:041::041:

Foot
18th June 2009, 10:19 AM
Looks like it was worth all the effort, awesome stuff!

mamejay
19th June 2009, 12:04 AM
I am so jealous. Good work. Looks pretty much new to me.

Savage
19th June 2009, 06:20 AM
Thanks for the comments guys.
Hopefully picking up the glass for the playfield today..

bwodie, going to try the dry method as intend to do it with more than just me and to avoid the mess. Will like to see how it compares....

bwodie
19th June 2009, 07:45 AM
what mess do you mean mate
all the run off from squeeging (sp?) the windex and shit off?

MrMaloo
19th June 2009, 11:15 PM
Great work as always Scott . That is one supreme looking line-up you have there .

DKong
19th June 2009, 11:42 PM
Nice work! Looks Super!

Pajo
29th September 2009, 08:59 PM
Great job Savage, very inspirational.

I'm just starting on my TZ and am sorting out supplies. Could you share where you got your cabinet decals from? I haven't seen the caution ones on the rear of the back box for sale anywhere.

Savage
29th September 2009, 11:26 PM
Hi mate.
The Caution decals aren;t part of the caninet set deacls.

They caution decals were from Classic Arcade
http://www.classic-arcades.com/NEW-STORE/index1.html?c16.html&1


Thiis is what I paid for them
3 Backbox decals @ $24.95 each = $74.85 + $30 = $104.85

Call it an even $100 and I will save you a quick $5


Wayne from Mr Pinabll apparently has them to.

Not sure where I got the cabinet decals, could have been Bay Area Amusments or Marko?