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elkor-alish
5th February 2009, 11:20 PM
I’m not really a very active poster on the forum, so I thought since I was doing a ‘Diner’ restoration I should post some pics and write about my progress to give a little something back.

To be fair I’m only really doing the cleaning, a few minor things, lots of observing, ordering and paying for all the bits. :lol

I was expecting the Diner to be in much better condition when it arrived as the pics I received, when I ordered the machine, didn’t show the crap playfield. I’m sure I’m not the only one to experience this, photos always look much better than the actual product. :(

All the plastics and ramps are in very good condition with the exception of the centre drop target plastic but I’m told this is often broken and I know I can get a replacement so no biggie. Cabinet, backbox and translite are all A1 so no work needed there, sweet. Unfortunately the display is degassing (see pic), I’ll probably get a new Pinscore LED one.The cup is badly yellowed, but again replacements are just recently being produced so that’s cool.

Someone has put mylar on this thing without cleaning it properly and then another few patches where it had started to wear through the mylar again. You can see the bubbling in the mylar in some of the pics.

My mate has stripped the playfield. Couple of broken posts but for the most part everything came off ok.

The mylar was removed using the heat gun method. Unfortunately the mylar left every bit of glue on the playfield which was a bitch to get off. I used Shellite and an old pop bumper skirt, as a scraper, for the most part but my mate had more success with Acetone, used very carefully, to remove the remainder.

If you’re considering doing something similar, be very care full using Acetone on non Diamond coated playfields as it can start to strip the art work from the playfield.

http://i613.photobucket.com/albums/tt212/elkor-alish/100_1771.jpg

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elkor-alish
5th February 2009, 11:26 PM
Couple more pics.

I'll post an update and some more pics in a few days.

http://i613.photobucket.com/albums/tt212/elkor-alish/100_1789.jpg

http://i613.photobucket.com/albums/tt212/elkor-alish/100_1795.jpg

prktkljokr
5th February 2009, 11:54 PM
I thought the machine was quite neat when I saw it at the meet ?

elkor-alish
6th February 2009, 12:38 AM
Was playing really bad with all the mylar air bubbles.

Once it's stripped down, touched up and cleaned I'm going to have it clear coated. She'll be like new.

AskJacob
6th February 2009, 09:58 AM
Looks like your displays are burnt (are there black/silver spots in the dim patches when it is turned off?)- check the HV supply and make sure it is to spec (I like to set mine 10v below spec - a bit dimmer but will last longer).

Very common to see burnt displays :(

Look forward to following this machine's progress! That PF mylar looks like one of my primary school book contact-ing efforts...

Cheers
Jacob

GIBO
6th February 2009, 06:52 PM
Saw it the other day with the mylar removed OMFG thankfully there are insert decals available and you have the right man on the job,I hear the Paddock is up and running too

Railways
6th February 2009, 07:51 PM
Nice game the diner - always wanted side one up next to a CFTBL and a Wurlitzer Juke:)

elkor-alish
6th February 2009, 08:05 PM
Looks like your displays are burnt (are there black/silver spots in the dim patches when it is turned off?)- check the HV supply and make sure it is to spec (I like to set mine 10v below spec - a bit dimmer but will last longer).

Very common to see burnt displays :(

Look forward to following this machine's progress! That PF mylar looks like one of my primary school book contact-ing efforts...

Cheers
Jacob


I don't think the display is burnt, but I can't really check now as the whole thing is in pieces at the moment. My understanding is that it had degassed so I just ordered a new Pinscore display to replace it (pic below). Little bit pricey, but very cool after market part that uses LED's for the display, so it should last for ages.

The mylar on top was the one with all the bubbles, the one underneath was actually not too bad but it all had to come off.



Saw it the other day with the mylar removed OMFG thankfully there are insert decals available and you have the right man on the job,I hear the Paddock is up and running too


Yeah you can see from the pics that the mylar pulled up the insert decals but the good news is that I have some new decals I found on eBay. I got them at a fraction of the normal retail cost, score!

You can see there are a few wear spots on the playfield but all should be fairly easy to colour match and conceal.

I also just received a new cup that was a bit out of shape from the heat. This really freaked me out at first but a bit of heating with a heat gun, very carefully, and it's back in shape. Also picked up a replacement plastic for the centre drop targets.

http://i613.photobucket.com/albums/tt212/elkor-alish/100_2050.jpg

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narf_
6th February 2009, 10:24 PM
nice stuff mate

i thought the pinnie was nice when i saw it too. just shows my level of pin noobness

ctucker
16th February 2009, 08:17 PM
:oThank god somebody makes these decals, imagine were we would be without these products.
Your Diner is going to look super scmick when finished. Its beautiful machine to begin with, even with the wear. Had you played it before you began and if so is it a challenging player?
I cant wait for the after pics. Please pic your progress. Especially interested in when you apply the layers of clear coat on top of the decals. Seems to be the hard bit not knowing the results but there is enough help on this aspect through many different sources.
Well done on scoring the decals and best of luck applying them and look forward to the after application pics.
Cliff.

elkor-alish
1st March 2009, 05:29 AM
The plunger has been rebuilt. I used one of those red translucent ones to match the flipper buttons. Will look sexy as when installed.

http://i613.photobucket.com/albums/tt212/elkor-alish/100_2060.jpg

The other pics are of the prep work for the new decals.
All the old decal must be stripped away carefully and the area for the new decal needs to be very lightly feathered (sanded) to help with the application.

http://i613.photobucket.com/albums/tt212/elkor-alish/100_2076.jpg

As you can see the area has been taped off to prevent sanding on the wrong areas. Make sure you always check the taped off area against the decals before starting this. As you could imagine it would be alot more work if not double checked.

http://i613.photobucket.com/albums/tt212/elkor-alish/100_2067.jpg

elkor-alish
31st May 2009, 12:41 AM
Been a little while and much progress has been made.
In the below pics you can see the decal area now ready for application.
Take note of the paint left on the last insert on the right for the 'Diner' decal.
A perfect example of why you should always check the decals against the playfield to make sure you don't do too much sanding or strip more art work than you need to.

http://i613.photobucket.com/albums/tt212/elkor-alish/100_2076-1.jpg

http://i613.photobucket.com/albums/tt212/elkor-alish/100_2077-1.jpg

In this pic you 'll see where I have used a magic eraser (thanks for that tip darksoul) to remove the dirt from the playfield. Other cleaners should be used first as this is quite abrasive. Kind of like using ultra fine sand paper.
You can see the colour differance where I've cleaned the white area on the bottom of the pic and just above you can see what it looked like before I attacked it.

http://i613.photobucket.com/albums/tt212/elkor-alish/100_2100.jpg

And again in this pic you can see the differance of the white squares from the area below that is still yellowed.
Again this is very touch and go. If you do too much you can effectively rub the original paint right off. So if you try this method be carefull!

http://i613.photobucket.com/albums/tt212/elkor-alish/100_2101.jpg

In the below pics you can see the inserts tape masked off for sanding.
It's very important to get the inserts as smooth as possible before applying the decals. Basically it will look crap if you don't, air bubbles, crease lines etc.
It's a pain in the arse to do but well worth the effort when you see the final product.
A thin layer of acrylic clear is also used to get the flatest surface possible.

http://i613.photobucket.com/albums/tt212/elkor-alish/100_2132.jpg

http://i613.photobucket.com/albums/tt212/elkor-alish/100_2133.jpg

Shock_And_Awe
31st May 2009, 09:07 AM
It will be great to see shots of the playfield again after the decals are applied. Some real scary shit when the artwork lifts with mylar.....

So much time goes into these fiddly playfield repairs, even just the masking up of the inserts takes ages to do right.

Well done so far!

Railways
12th November 2009, 08:34 PM
Bump- how's it going with the P/F?

elkor-alish
27th February 2011, 09:21 PM
Bump- how's it going with the P/F?

Yeah pretty good. :redface

I really have to apologise to anyone that was following this thread.
It has been a combination of not having time and being really REALLY lazy.:sleep

Anyway below you can see some pics of the clear coated playfield.
I'm VERY happy with the way this came out, I mean just look at it, I love the glassy look and feel to a freshly clear coated playfield.

http://i613.photobucket.com/albums/tt212/elkor-alish/100_2241-1.jpg


http://i613.photobucket.com/albums/tt212/elkor-alish/100_2240-1.jpg

You can see that there is still some yellow on the white areas of the playfield but these are all be covered by plastics so I wasn't too concerned.

http://i613.photobucket.com/albums/tt212/elkor-alish/100_2230-1.jpg


http://i613.photobucket.com/albums/tt212/elkor-alish/100_2229-1.jpg

Mikie
27th February 2011, 09:34 PM
great work! wow what a mirror finish, keep it going!

pinsanity
27th February 2011, 09:49 PM
Nothing could be finer..:cool:

Great job.

elkor-alish
27th February 2011, 10:05 PM
New target decals, plastics and a few coloured post sleeves can really set off a machine.
And it's nice to put your own little touch on a machine.
Love the blue post sleeves.

http://i613.photobucket.com/albums/tt212/elkor-alish/WorkshopJune09020.jpg


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More pics soon

Fire_Power
28th February 2011, 01:55 PM
That play field is looking great - keep the pics coming.

elkor-alish
10th March 2011, 04:56 PM
The diner is all finished with the exception of a few minor electronic issues.
It came up really nice. I was fortunate that the cabinet itself required very little work.

http://i613.photobucket.com/albums/tt212/elkor-alish/100_2859.jpg


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I really love the black flipper bats with the yellow rubbers.

http://i613.photobucket.com/albums/tt212/elkor-alish/100_2861.jpg


A couple of custom cards to but a little more of a personal spin on the machine.

http://i613.photobucket.com/albums/tt212/elkor-alish/100_2862.jpg


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http://i613.photobucket.com/albums/tt212/elkor-alish/100_2865.jpg


Here you can see that a red lens has been put on the back of the display window.
I've always thought that the gray/black look of the alphanumeric and DMD displays look a bit boring so I gave this idea a go.
I reckon it works well and it doesn't affect the orange look of the display (more pics later).

http://i613.photobucket.com/albums/tt212/elkor-alish/100_2866.jpg


No fade. Awesome!:D

http://i613.photobucket.com/albums/tt212/elkor-alish/100_2868.jpg


http://i613.photobucket.com/albums/tt212/elkor-alish/100_2867.jpg


More pics later so I can show that the red lens doesn't affect the look of the display.

humpalot
10th March 2011, 05:08 PM
Nice work :cool:

Next time I strip my playfield think I'll have a go at the mylar removal as well.

Railways
10th March 2011, 06:36 PM
Very,Very nice:). Diner is on my want list. Dibs on when you want to sell it and I'll personally drive over and gladly pick it up off you:D

Martyj
10th March 2011, 06:49 PM
Great work. Clearly a tonne of hours have gone into your machine...Well done.

I only recently grabbed my Diner..Not keen on mylar removal so I'm waiting for CPR to release theirs (hopefully this year!)...

I threw some of RTBB's LED's into the backbox - specifically the ring around the clock. I must say it improved it greatly and makes a very nice effect. I threw a couple more in where the street lamps are and without going overboard looks good.

Fish Tales
10th March 2011, 06:59 PM
nice! would love to own that one :cool:

NMD
11th March 2011, 12:11 AM
It must play great now, well done it looks really nice.

dezbaz
11th March 2011, 12:31 AM
Great effort there Mark

Credit to your level of dedication mate

You keeping it now it's mickey mouse? :)

elkor-alish
11th March 2011, 10:36 AM
Great work. Clearly a tonne of hours have gone into your machine...Well done.

I only recently grabbed my Diner..Not keen on mylar removal so I'm waiting for CPR to release theirs (hopefully this year!)...

I threw some of RTBB's LED's into the backbox - specifically the ring around the clock. I must say it improved it greatly and makes a very nice effect. I threw a couple more in where the street lamps are and without going overboard looks good.

Ok that sounds like a good idea, I'll give it a go.


Very,Very nice:). Diner is on my want list. Dibs on when you want to sell it and I'll personally drive over and gladly pick it up off you:D

No problem, dibs you have. :D


Great effort there Mark

Credit to your level of dedication mate

You keeping it now it's mickey mouse? :)

Oh yeah, far to much work has been put into this one to just sell it off.
I have a real hard time selling any arcade type stuff that a lot of works gone into, even arcade cabs. I just want to keep it all. :)

elkor-alish
11th March 2011, 02:39 PM
Ok these are almost the last pics.

You can see in the below pic that the display is still very much orange even with the red lens.

http://i613.photobucket.com/albums/tt212/elkor-alish/100_2872.jpg


In this pic I wanted to show the top trim/rail thing. These are normally just made of the same black plastic as the channel that the glass sits in. These are commonly broken or damaged so Joe Tripoli from Kids Just Want To Have Fun here in Perth had some stainless ones made up.
They just go better with the side rails I think and you can bet they'll never get damaged or broken ever again. Very cool.


http://i613.photobucket.com/albums/tt212/elkor-alish/100_2873.jpg

carbonROD
11th March 2011, 03:02 PM
Well that is a thing of beauty!! CONGRATS! :023:

bwodie
11th March 2011, 03:43 PM
now thats something to be proud of!
Can you see the insert decals at all if you look closely?

elkor-alish
11th March 2011, 08:17 PM
This is the last little tip.
I'm willing to bet that just about every unrestored machine out there has scratches on the inside wall of the playfield area from the playfield being lifted up and down.

Nice easy fix is to apply some felt to the side. Cheap as and no more scratches.

http://i613.photobucket.com/albums/tt212/elkor-alish/100_2874.jpg

dezbaz
11th March 2011, 08:25 PM
Brilliant!

:)

spacies
11th March 2011, 08:31 PM
Amazing resto mate. Well done! We have a Doner here which has the the same insert problems. This is going to help us a lot.

Where did you get the decals from?

Railways
12th March 2011, 05:17 PM
YaY - I've got 1st dibs on this when its for sale:huh:. Now just gotta find a way to convince Mark to let it go in my lifetime:lol

elkor-alish
12th March 2011, 06:25 PM
Amazing resto mate. Well done! We have a Diner here which has the the same insert problems. This is going to help us a lot.

Where did you get the decals from?

I got the decals awhile ago on eBay but there was an issue with them.
All the insert decals were fine, right colours, right size etc. but the large 'Diner' and the one below of the customers were the wrong size! :realmad:
With some clever positioning and a little art work cover up it's very difficult to tell now.
My advice would be to get your decals from a reputable supplier so if you have any issues you have more chance of sorting it out.

Try here. Just scroll down a little.
http://www.littleshopofgames.com/ins.html


YaY - I've got 1st dibs on this when its for sale:huh:. Now just gotta find a way to convince Mark to let it go in my lifetime:lol

:lol :laugh:

It's a keeper.....



for now. :D