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Darksoul
11th July 2006, 10:43 PM
Who has used one and were you happy with the results?

Just wondering about the angle of the screen and if an 8ms LCD is fast enough to minimise blurring/smearing.


Any good examples on the net? I have not found many with LCD's.

The Pinny Parlour
11th July 2006, 10:51 PM
Who has used one and were you happy with the results?

Just wondering about the angle of the screen and if an 8ms LCD is fast enough to minimise blurring/smearing.


Any good examples on the net? I have not found many with LCD's.

I haven't, but with the eventual phase out of CRT's, LCD's will become more popular. Anything under 8ms and a high contrast ratio will fit the bill one would guess.

Darksoul
11th July 2006, 10:58 PM
With a lowboy you would almose be directly over the screen (at 90 degrees).

With a cocktail both players would be more like 45 degrees, just wondering if the angle is too great and will result in poor viewing.

The Pinny Parlour
11th July 2006, 11:01 PM
With a lowboy you would almose be directly over the screen (at 90 degrees).

With a cocktail both players would be more like 45 degrees, just wondering if the angle is too great and will result in poor viewing.
Good point, not sure without actually doing it. Will be interesting to see what others chime in with.

Foot
12th July 2006, 07:27 AM
I'm with Darksoul, for an upright OK.

For a cocktail, well I just grabbed an LCD at work and gave it a whirl and didn't like it, the screen looked dark in several places, almost had to be 90 degrees to see clearly.

Foot

Xendragon
12th July 2006, 08:03 AM
It depends on the type of LCD screen you use. Some of the more recent LCD screens have a view angle of 178 in both the vertical and horizontal directions.

rottenpig
12th July 2006, 09:07 AM
yeah, i just angled my lcd screen down to a cocktail point of view and it's horrible.

Darksoul
12th July 2006, 12:42 PM
GRRRRRRR
:x

That is what I thought about the angles. Pity really.

To save space is crucial in a cocktail --------> LCD would be ideal.

ZXR
12th July 2006, 01:23 PM
*please note the tongue in cheek*

Another solution would be to build a cocktail cab and paint a nice white area where the screen should be. Then put a projector right above it and aim it at the white painted area. No problem with heaps of space in the cabinet, and you get a viewable picture. :badgrin

-ZXR

OzStick
12th July 2006, 02:20 PM
Think laterally Darksoul - if you plan to put it under tinted glass/perspex (which I recommend to cut glare from overhead lighting) then take a piece of that tint with you when shopping for an LCD to see whether it will look right........

If they won't let you try it then simply don't buy from them!

Cheers,
Chris

wilddazz
16th August 2006, 04:04 PM
mates got one in a mame cocktail cab which he thinks is the shizzle but the screen sucks ass as you cant see it from player one side lol!!!! unless you stand hahahahha!!

Berty
16th August 2006, 04:07 PM
On a side note, Sega are now using LCD's in their Lindbergh cab's. I wonder if they have got "tweaked" LCD's to run under those conditions.

Matt
16th August 2006, 09:35 PM
I'll 2nd the info on later generation lcd's, my computer monitor is a few years old and anything other than looking straight at it and the colours go all f*cked, where as my new bravia LCD tv, i can view it from almost side on and top and the colours and contrast/brightness are near perfect. I would say, if you are going to put a lcd in there, get a latest generation and buy a little more than standard spec - get a good one.

Matt.

revolt
17th August 2006, 11:53 AM
I'll 2nd the info on later generation lcd's, my computer monitor is a few years old and anything other than looking straight at it and the colours go all f*cked, where as my new bravia LCD tv, i can view it from almost side on and top and the colours and contrast/brightness are near perfect. I would say, if you are going to put a lcd in there, get a latest generation and buy a little more than standard spec - get a good one.


Absolutely right. I got a new LCD monitor about 2 months ago and it has a MUCH wider viewing angle than my parents older LCD. Looking at mine side on, I can still read everything and the colours are ok, it's just a bit dark.

WOKA
18th August 2006, 10:37 AM
LCD's are soo cheap. Seems 17" are been fased out and 19" are entry level (almost)

CMV 19" from about $290
Samsung 19" from about $325


W.

Adeptus
18th August 2006, 03:10 PM
I can just picture a LCD-based cocktail incorporated into a coffee table or something... you wouldn't need the big box extending to the floor (if just using it for home ie no coin box).

Table top
Monitor shelf a few cm's below that
PCB shelf a few cm's below that... maybe at the level of the control panel?
Power supply (or maybe controls) would be the biggest part

Viper
18th August 2006, 03:22 PM
I can just picture a LCD-based cocktail incorporated into a coffee table or something... you wouldn't need the big box extending to the floor (if just using it for home ie no coin box).

Table top
Monitor shelf a few cm's below that
PCB shelf a few cm's below that... maybe at the level of the control panel?
Power supply (or maybe controls) would be the biggest part
Hmm, coffee table/LCD pinball machine!

WOKA
18th August 2006, 04:18 PM
And you could mount the LCD on a pivot to increase the angle for player view..

OzStick
9th September 2006, 06:41 PM
Any more on this Darksoul? I'm interested to know if you took the plunge with a new LCD.

Cheers,
Chris

Mrvfone
9th September 2006, 08:56 PM
A few notes from my experance..

I had had an older 15" Samsung NON-DVI lcd with 8ms and high contrast ratio. It looked ok... but one advantage it has... Which new LCDs don't. It would actualy run at 640X480 and lower. Alot of LCDs.. espacialy in DVI mode do not support the lower res's. You just greated with a blank screen saying "Current resiolution is not supported"!

Also industrial sunreadable LCDs are i think what Sega is using.. There not cheap.. But they have very wide viewing angles and contrats in unbelevable..

I have had a bit of experance with them ;)

Mrv.

StevOz
9th September 2006, 09:43 PM
Another consideration. ;)

http://www.behardware.com/articles/632-1/lcds-images-delayed-compared-to-crts-yes.html

OzStick
9th September 2006, 10:57 PM
Another consideration. ;)

http://www.behardware.com/articles/632-1/lcds-images-delayed-compared-to-crts-yes.html

I'd be more concerned about the ability of the CPU, memory and video card keeping up with the requirements of running the game correctly than the monitor's ability to display it accurately.

Has anyone done a side-by-side comparison of a CRT and LCD monitor running a MAME game to see how important 1/30th of a second is to the way a game plays?

StevOz
9th September 2006, 11:08 PM
I have noticed the effect here switching from a CRT to LCD, my scores suffered, that said after a few weeks of use I have found I've adapted to the LCD and it's all the same now, Samsung SyncMaster 753DF 17 inch CRT vs Samsung SyncMaster 713N, 8ms, 17 inch LCD.

Though the effect is real, does exsist, btw the CRT is connected to a Athlon 1333 vs a Sempron64 3100+ (1.8Ghz) for the LCD.

elvis
10th September 2006, 07:53 AM
On a side note, Sega are now using LCD's in their Lindbergh cab's. I wonder if they have got "tweaked" LCD's to run under those conditions.

Also industrial sunreadable LCDs are i think what Sega is using.
I'm fairly certain Sega are just using bog-standard Samsung LCD monitors. Remember that Lindenbergh by spec generally spits out hi-def (1366*768) DVI. That's standard 720p viewing.

Plus most of the games being made by Sega at the moment are designed for one or two people per screen, sitting directly infront of the screen. The whole "viewing angles make LCD screens crap" issue isn't a problem when everyone's perpendicular to a screen.

LCD technology is getting better. I'm sitting infront of a bloody awful cheap and nasty "Polyview" (made by Chei Mei, who are better known as "CMV") 17" LCD. I can spin the thing almost completely parallel to my line of site (probably off by 15 degrees or so) and still make out the text on the screen clearly.

Some LCDs are worse than others. Before buying one, ask for a demo from the sales staff and see what it looks like when viewing at 45 degrees.

StevOz
10th September 2006, 12:44 PM
Actually I was wondering about tints being applied over the LCD, could a polarized tint improve viewing angles?

Darksoul
10th September 2006, 03:37 PM
I have not looked into it any more.

Cutting back on my projects, just concentrating on pinballs.