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Strangeways
4th July 2008, 12:03 PM
System80 Time !


Background

Another machine destined for Mark's Collection. This is his "Holy Grail" pinball machine, so it will get the "full treatment". Rocky is a rare and very sought after System80, probably the most sought after Gottlieb SS machine built. I think Mark spent about as much time looking for a Rocky as I did, when I was looking for a Fathom.


Condition

Backglass - 4/10 - Poor. Will be replaced at a later date

Cabinet - 8/10 - I didn't see the cab when it was purchased - But Mark's in house team did the touch ups & repairs

Playfield - 8/10 - Day 1 Mylar on the bulk of the playfield. One wear area around the ball kicker at the top of the playfield.

Electronics - 6/10 - Some real ugly "route" repairs done by a bushman mechanic....Ground mods need to be done

Objective

To restore the game - not recondition. The cabinet will has already been done (externally), the electrical section will be rebuilt, electronics "bullet-proofed" and the playfield will be rebuilt with replacement parts. Hopefully, with the impending purchase of a NOS Backglass it will be a solid 9/10 all round.

Starting point

The game was delivered after the touch ups were completed. The front door is removed - no point in re installing it as it will be cleaned and rebuilt. Here's some pictures before I started;


http://www.users.on.net/~nzambello/rocky/Picture%20139.jpghttp://www.users.on.net/~nzambello/rocky/Picture%20140.jpg


As mentioned, the door is removed so the front section could be touched up.


http://www.users.on.net/~nzambello/rocky/Picture%20141.jpg


Playfield "Before" shots - There is one broken plastic that resides above the Top Drop Targets


http://www.users.on.net/~nzambello/rocky/Picture%20142.jpg


http://www.users.on.net/~nzambello/rocky/Picture%20143.jpg


The wear spot is at the very top of the playfield, just above the "when lit" writing.

http://www.users.on.net/~nzambello/rocky/Picture%20144.jpg


New targets will be installed to replace the worn out set

http://www.users.on.net/~nzambello/rocky/Picture%20154.jpg


Artwork has been redone in sections and looks very good.


http://www.users.on.net/~nzambello/rocky/Picture%20159.jpg


"Mix and match" the flipper coils ! All are worn and need rebuild kits. EOS are from a different game on one of the flippers.


http://www.users.on.net/~nzambello/rocky/Picture%20201.jpg


Playfield Stripped - Most of the easy to remove parts have been removed. The factory mylar is in great condition, just very dirty. Should come up really nice.


http://www.users.on.net/~nzambello/rocky/Picture%20205.jpg



FILTHY - Thats all I can say.. Years of dirt and filth have accumulated. Needs a good clean.


http://www.users.on.net/~nzambello/rocky/Picture%20215.jpg


Power Board - Will be removed and cleaned. There have been a few dodgy repairs here. There should be FOUR Bridge Rectifiers, not three. Two sets of wires have been connected to one BR !! I'm waiting on the Schematic from PBR to work out what's going on here. There's also a different capacitor mounted, so I need to check that out as well


http://www.users.on.net/~nzambello/rocky/Picture%20218.jpg


The playfield is stripped topside and underside. All the mechanisms will be rebuilt, playfield parts polished and cleaned etc.Once the manual arrives I'll place the first order. Here's a list of what I need to do;

* Rebuild 5 X Flippers - Flipper Rebuild kits to be installed
* Rebuild 3 x Target assemblies - New Target set
* Rebuild Bumpers - New bumper bodies & Caps
* Rebuild every mechanism and install coil sleeves. Incorrect coils will be replaced
* New transparent posts
* New Rubbers, globes etc
* New flipper bats, lane guides, post caps...

Cabinet work will involve a total stripdown, check for breaks in the grounding, clean and polish metal parts and check the power board. At the moment the body is stripped and components are ready to reinstall - except the power board will need another BR and Capacitor.

Darksoul
4th July 2008, 12:24 PM
I'm assuming that is the Rocky that John, Dan, Theo and I saw on our last Melbourne expedition out the back of Mark's.

Bit of work to do there, but not too much.

Wotto
4th July 2008, 12:28 PM
Seriously mate.......dont you ever stop :unsure

That liquid paper artwork on the drop targets looks great - why change it ??

That PF wear is minimal and looks quite an easy fix.

And I expect to be playing this in 3 weeks - so get cracking!!



:D

Strangeways
4th July 2008, 12:31 PM
I'm assuming that is the Rocky that John, Dan, Theo and I saw on our last Melbourne expedition out the back of Mark's.

Bit of work to do there, but not too much.

Yep - that's the one.


Seriously mate.......dont you ever stop :unsure

That liquid paper artwork on the drop targets looks great - why change it ??

That PF wear is minimal and looks quite an easy fix.

:D

Seriously mate.......dont you ever stop :unsure

That liquid paper artwork on the drop targets looks great - why change it ??

That PF wear is minimal and looks quite an easy fix.

And I expect to be playing this in 3 weeks - so get cracking!!



:D

Stop ? Are you mad ??? :lol

I HOPEFULLY will have it ready by then Mate - All depends on how quick the parts arrive.

Gav
4th July 2008, 12:39 PM
Always get excited when I see a new thread started by Strangeways. Lovely work on these restores. Keep em coming:)

Mickey Juice
4th July 2008, 02:37 PM
Are you removing the playfield mylar?

Dean Morgan
4th July 2008, 02:54 PM
Does it have the bell for inside the cabinet that rings at the start of each round??

If it does can you please post a photo of it? This is the only component missing from my Rocky and i would like to find something suitable.

I also look forward to see more photos of the work as you progress.:D

Strangeways
4th July 2008, 03:36 PM
Are you removing the playfield mylar?

No mate. Mylar is in great shape. There's a couple of areas that I will trim back.


Does it have the bell for inside the cabinet that rings at the start of each round??

If it does can you please post a photo of it? This is the only component missing from my Rocky and i would like to find something suitable.

I also look forward to see more photos of the work as you progress.:D

Yes it does, I will post a picture for you.

Dean Morgan
4th July 2008, 03:49 PM
No mate. Mylar is in great shape. There's a couple of areas that I will trim back.



Yes it does, I will post a picture for you.
Thanks for that:D

If you have trouble getting the electrical schematics, let me know and i will photocopy mine and send to you.

Dean

Strangeways
4th July 2008, 08:05 PM
The upper and lower playfield have been stripped and placed in boxes for now. I'll sort through what needs to be retained, and what needs to be replaced.

Cabinet

Everything is removed. Earth straps included. The cabinet is returned to an empty shell. First, all the parts that have been removed are washed and then polished. The screws are 1/4 inch hex heads and they will not be cleaned in a tumbler. So each one is cleaned with the wire wheel mounted on my bench grinder.

Then the inside of the cab is washed several times. After drying, the cleaned parts are returned back into the cabinet.

http://www.users.on.net/~nzambello/rocky/Picture%20220.jpg

http://www.users.on.net/~nzambello/rocky/Picture%20221.jpg

The powerboard was disassembled and everything is washed, including the wiring and the cable guides. The transformer and wires are all checked, as well as the connectors. Then it is re installed. It will need a new BR and Capacitor.

http://www.users.on.net/~nzambello/rocky/Picture%20224.jpg


The ground strap from the power supply is bolted on the earth point from the mains filter, and the main loom is fitted.

http://www.users.on.net/~nzambello/rocky/Picture%20225.jpg


Knocker assembly and fuse "box" - again, cleaned. checked and reinstalled.


http://www.users.on.net/~nzambello/rocky/Picture%20226.jpg


Lock down bar assembly - Free of rust and crap.. Nice and clean. A drop of machine oil in the mechanism and it is installed.


http://www.users.on.net/~nzambello/rocky/Picture%20230.jpg


Power supply board installed and it looks alot better than before !


http://www.users.on.net/~nzambello/rocky/Picture%20232.jpg


..and finally - the bell ! Polished and installed ;


http://www.users.on.net/~nzambello/rocky/Picture%20227.jpg


Next update - The Head and Door !

Strangeways
6th July 2008, 11:12 PM
Just a "min"i update this weekend !

Front Door

The Door was filthy and it had a few scratches in the front skin and the inside of the door was the usual, ugly dirty affair.. I stripped all the parts off the door, washed and cleaned with scotchbrite on the rusted and corroded areas. I polished some of the parts with the buffer. I tried a new technique in cleaning the skin;

- Wash with windex and an old paintbrush, with the end trimmed so that the brush is "harder"
- Wash again with windex and hit the stubborn dirt with a toothbrush - again, trimmed
- Let it dry
- With a different toothbrush, scrub with Brasso and leave it dry for 5 minutes. Polish with a rag. Will look great :cool:
- Here's a trick - scrub the skin GENTLY, in a circular motion, with a small square of green scotchbrite.. WOW.. All those years of scratched and marks - gone forever. Buff the doorskin and here are the results;


http://www.users.on.net/~nzambello/rocky/Picture%20226_2.jpg


HEAD

The head was removed and EVERYTHING stripped out of it. Earth straps were checked and the hardware was washed and or buffed. Its really clean.. (I hate rust, corrosion and dirt)


http://www.users.on.net/~nzambello/rocky/Picture%20227_2.jpg


Here's a picture of the head and the lower cabinet..


http://www.users.on.net/~nzambello/rocky/Picture%20225_2.jpg


Finally, the door and tilt mechanism from inside the machine. The tilt mechanism was rebuilt. All I have to do is double check the ground points and tighten everything up.


http://www.users.on.net/~nzambello/rocky/Picture%20229_2.jpg


Like the FLASH restore - This game is now waiting for parts. Heaps of them ! I deliberately waited until I started this game so I could double check the Electronics and order parts for both games..

Enjoy !

AskJacob
6th July 2008, 11:26 PM
That door looks bloody fantastic! Nice work. I like the stumpy brush idea!

stuba
7th July 2008, 08:51 AM
wow. i saw this machine before it left for down south. already a huge transformation. great work. your threads are good nino because mug punters like me can start to get the process clear for a ground up resto. undertaking one is still daunting but every one of these posts helps. cheers.

Strangeways
7th July 2008, 09:11 AM
wow. i saw this machine before it left for down south. already a huge transformation. great work. your threads are good nino because mug punters like me can start to get the process clear for a ground up resto. undertaking one is still daunting but every one of these posts helps. cheers.

Cheers Mate - Thats why I document the restorations here, so that others can "Have a go" at restoring their own games. Believe me, I learn something new on each game and also from others here who undertake their own work.

silverball
7th July 2008, 09:24 AM
Great work nino, have you ever recorded a resto vid before? im sure it will be well sought after and watched by many. Looking forward to more pics.:)

Strangeways
7th July 2008, 09:38 AM
Great work nino, have you ever recorded a resto vid before? im sure it will be well sought after and watched by many. Looking forward to more pics.:)

I was inspired to produce a video after seeing Brad's Pinball Pool restoration, and I intend on doing one for an EM at some stage. I'm thinking of doing that, or a full restoration vid (inc playfield swap) on the Fathom.

stuba
7th July 2008, 10:10 AM
Great work nino, have you ever recorded a resto vid before? im sure it will be well sought after and watched by many. Looking forward to more pics.:)

+1 on the vid!

Pash
8th July 2008, 06:37 PM
Good work there Nino.

Mate with all these good tips you definitely should make a dvd when and if you have
the time. Its one thing to describe it, but seeing it as you are cleaning the skin
would be great. Some people may think no that wouldn't work or just mightn't
realise the sort of results that can be achieved. Pictures work well to express how
the end product looks, if you were able to combine the pics with video it would be
a winner.

You could name the dvd, Nino's neat resto tricks.

Just a thought. ;)

markc
8th July 2008, 07:43 PM
wow. i saw this machine before it left for down south. already a huge transformation. great work. your threads are good nino because mug punters like me can start to get the process clear for a ground up resto. undertaking one is still daunting but every one of these posts helps. cheers.

hey mate

yea its a little diff from then . we spent over a week just on body repairs
now Nino will spend many many more hours on the rest, this is of course a keeper and will stay at home. forget the offers its a NO

Nino does such a good job on these I better give him the other Rocky I just got and more.......

Strangeways
8th July 2008, 07:45 PM
hey mate

yea its a little diff from then . we spent over a week just on body repairs
now Nino will spend many many more hours on the rest, this is of course a keeper and will stay at home. forget the offers its a NO

Nino does such a good job on these I better give him the other Rocky I just got and more.......

I think I should quit my day job...:lol

illawarra_steelers
8th July 2008, 07:51 PM
Looking good mate. Out of interest (and jumping the gun) what are your plans for the backglass?

markc
8th July 2008, 07:53 PM
I think I should quit my day job...:lol

call me we can discuss this


Looking good mate. Out of interest (and jumping the gun) what are your plans for the backglass?

will get a repo one

mark

AskJacob
8th July 2008, 09:51 PM
Sounds like a dream job offer on the cards;)

Strangeways
8th July 2008, 09:54 PM
Sounds like a dream job offer on the cards;)

I'm not drinking HIS coffee...:lol

Yep - importing and restoring pinballs is definitely a dream job.

markc
8th July 2008, 11:09 PM
i promise not to make u coffee

Strangeways
28th September 2008, 10:52 PM
Been a while since this was last updated. The parts arrived from PBR. Mainly parts specific for Rocky - Pop Bumper Caps, Targets etc... and Three flipper kits for the Five flippers that have to be rebuilt.

Under the playfield

What a mess. This machine was kept "on route" by squeezing oil into the coil sleeves and onto the plungers of EVERY coil. Coils were in the wrong place, coil stops were broken... It had A LOT of problems. Yet it was still playable..:unsure

All moving parts were removed. The underside of the playfield is basically bare with the exception of the wiring loom and light sockets. The FILTH was stubborn, the oil was still wet inside the coil sleeves, and coil wires were clinging by a thread of wire. All the base plates were stripped and washed in hot water and nifti. Plungers soaked in Isocol all night, coils were washed and sleeves replaced.. Nearly everything was thrown into the tumbler in disgust :o

Target assemblies were stripped and rebuilt with new Targets.

After everything was cleaned, the bumpers were rebuilt, slings rebuilt and the flippers had NEW kits installed with the correct coils. Switch contacts were cleaned and gapped and the underside is almost done...


http://www.users.on.net/~nzambello/rocky/Picture%20537.jpg


http://www.users.on.net/~nzambello/rocky/Picture%20538.jpg


http://www.users.on.net/~nzambello/rocky/Picture%20539.jpg


Playfield - Topside

Factory /Mylar was left intact and came up well after some attention with Novus 1 and 2. The edges of the mylar were tidied up with "Goof Off". The playfield metal was installed after spending a day in the tumber. There was some wear around the bumpers which I tidied up with a sharpie. It is not seen when the Bumper bodies are in place and I've used some non adhesive mylar disks so it should be fine..

http://www.users.on.net/~nzambello/rocky/Picture%20535.jpg


So as of today, the playfield is almost complete. All that is left is a few rubbers and the plastics. All the posts are new and they have made a big difference. The Apron is done and just needs to be installed.

http://www.users.on.net/~nzambello/rocky/Picture%20542.jpg http://www.users.on.net/~nzambello/rocky/Picture%20543.jpg

:)

Darksoul
28th September 2008, 11:32 PM
Very nice.

Strangeways
19th October 2008, 09:28 AM
Playfield

The upper playfield is complete other that two ball guide clips. One was missing and the other was broken. I've used some oversized rubbers until the correct ones arrive. Here's a couple of pictures...

http://www.users.on.net/~nzambello/rocky/Picture%20546.jpg

Cosmetically, the playfield is done, and it is great to see it it nearing completion. I have to polish up a set of 27 inch legs and remove the 28 1/2 inch legs...

http://www.users.on.net/~nzambello/rocky/Picture%20545.jpghttp://www.users.on.net/~nzambello/rocky/Picture%20547.jpg



The power supply has been rebuilt and will be installed
The CPU board is corrosion free and I might install a board mounted battery
All the other boards are fine


Here's a picture of the correct sized legs - 27 1/2 inch. Cleaned, polished and new set of Leg Levellers. I took this photo during the day, so the flash would not make the legs appear to be dark. The shine is really nice in this photo, and it is also a good indication of what the front of the game will look like when the rest of it is finished !

http://www.users.on.net/~nzambello/rocky/Picture%20565.jpg


Boards


The "Fun Part"... The boards were really in very good condition, but there were some modifications that I did not like. The +5 and GND were common to the driver, CPU and Power Supply boards - but this wouls not address the inherent grounding problem that plagued system 1 and system 80 games. Although the game did work fine when I got it (not resetting etc), I wanted to make sure the game was upgraded correctly. To do this, the boards must be tied to a common ground - which for a system 80 - is the grounding strip on the transformer board in the lower cabinet. A wire is soldered onto that strip, and then routed through the body and head and terminated on the power supply mounting rail. From the PSU mounting rail, we run short lengths of wire to each grounding track on the boardset. CPU, Driver, Sound etc...

The Power Supply has had ALL pins replaced, but I kept the old housings are they were good. I upgraded the power supply as per Clays recommendations and it is ready to be tested. All the other boards were fine. CPU board had NO corrosion, but I replaced the wiring to the battery holder as it was too thick for that application. The CPU board had a nasty "Cheap" connector installed that was just... well... I didn't like it - so I replaced it with the proper housing and re pinned it ;

http://www.users.on.net/~nzambello/rocky/Picture%20321.jpg

No repairs were required for any of the boards - except the removal of the "wiring mod" for +5 and Ground..

So here is a picture of the finished board set on its baseboard.. A LOT better than what I started with and it should be rock solid once I fire it up !

http://www.users.on.net/~nzambello/rocky/Picture%20566.jpg

:D

markc
19th October 2008, 07:34 PM
cant wait to get it home

Johns-Arcade
19th October 2008, 07:56 PM
Well done Nino, I keep saying it, but I love these threads!! That sure is going to be one very nice Rocky. Good to see another system 80 getting a full restore.

Regards,

Johns-Arcade.

illawarra_steelers
19th October 2008, 08:03 PM
Earlier during the thread there was mention of a repro backglass being made - any news here?

BTW - looks awesome Nino - pity it is such a dog to play though :lol

markc
19th October 2008, 08:37 PM
Earlier during the thread there was mention of a repro backglass being made - any news here?

BTW - looks awesome Nino - pity it is such a dog to play though :lol

sourced one from USA and chasing up another


mark

Strangeways
19th October 2008, 08:49 PM
Earlier during the thread there was mention of a repro backglass being made - any news here?

BTW - looks awesome Nino - pity it is such a dog to play though :lol

This one is not..When I first played it prior to the work done, it was slow and it felt like I was playing a Hercules, not a Rocky.

Since rebuilding the machine, cleaning the mechanisms, replacing coil sleeves an installing new flipper kits - This game ROCKS - and I still have to "tune" it..

I understand the thinking behind the four slingshots near the flippers - when the ball is flying in between the two at "full speed", it is like two boxers exchanging blows..


Well done Nino, I keep saying it, but I love these threads!! That sure is going to be one very nice Rocky. Good to see another system 80 getting a full restore.

Regards,

Johns-Arcade.

Thanks John...

There's more system 80 "love" coming.. Haunted House, Spirit and Force II :badgrin

johnwartjr
19th October 2008, 11:38 PM
Looks amazing.

I have never played a Rocky. A friend has had one on his most wanted list for a few years now, when he finds one, I'll have to give it a spin.

I've always wondered whether this one sold so high because of it's theme and rarity, or if it was a good player too.

Looks like Gottlieb's Striker has a similar flipper layout - but I've only seen one of those for sale.

illawarra_steelers
6th November 2008, 10:15 PM
This was posted on Mr Pinball parts for sale tonight:

Rocky backglass used. The glass isnt lifting but has bubbling effect to it. Better than no glass at all. I know this glass isnt produced anymore. 200.00 is my price. Email for pic. Buyer to pay for shipping.

Contact: Joe
southcitymama@aol.com
CA

Greg
6th November 2008, 10:48 PM
cant wait to get it home

yes and it plays well to l was at Nino's a few weeks ago
and played a few games with Zack so you will really enjoy this one mate

Nino has gone the whole hog on this game it looks pretty sweet

Strangeways
6th November 2008, 11:00 PM
This was posted on Mr Pinball parts for sale tonight:

Rocky backglass used. The glass isnt lifting but has bubbling effect to it. Better than no glass at all. I know this glass isnt produced anymore. 200.00 is my price. Email for pic. Buyer to pay for shipping.

Contact: Joe
southcitymama@aol.com
CA

I think Mark has an even better one lined up, Tony, but there are others that need this backglass, so thanks for posting.


yes and it plays well to l was at Nino's a few weeks ago
and played a few games with Zack so you will really enjoy this one mate

Nino has gone the whole hog on this game it looks pretty sweet

Just waiting on the replacement White "Round 6" Target to arrive from PBR and I'll finish testing it. A couple of members have played it now !

Greg
6th November 2008, 11:15 PM
I think Mark has an even better one lined up, Tony, but there are others that need this backglass, so thanks for posting.



Just waiting on the replacement White "Round 6" Target to arrive from PBR and I'll finish testing it. A couple of members have played it now !


as long as everyones played it.... have you played it yet Mark?

Strangeways
6th November 2008, 11:28 PM
as long as everyones played it.... have you played it yet Mark?

I had a feeling this would happen !

:tomato

markc
6th November 2008, 11:31 PM
hmmm pick up ??? be over this weekend maybe Nino

Strangeways
6th November 2008, 11:35 PM
hmmm pick up ??? be over this weekend maybe Nino

Not yet - It is not finished - but it is playable.. I have to sort out a few things.. But I won't do that until the new Target and mylar arrive from PBR...

Strangeways
25th November 2008, 12:55 PM
Rocky Finally Finished !

The target arrived from PBR and I covered all the targets with mylar. Steve has recommended that any white target with art or any other colored target with a white design should be covered with mylar. Basically - any target with white.

After a few final adjustments, the game plays great - a huge difference from when I started it. The only outstanding issue is the purchase of the backglass, which Mark is currently sourcing.

Here's a few pictures ;


http://www.users.on.net/~nzambello/rocky/Picture%20307.jpg http://www.users.on.net/~nzambello/rocky/Picture%20309.jpg


The legs polished up really well ;

http://www.users.on.net/~nzambello/rocky/Picture%20314.jpg


http://www.users.on.net/~nzambello/rocky/Picture%20308.jpg


Looking forward to my next system 80 restore - Haunted House, Spirit, Amazon Hunt or Force II..

:cool:

spacies
25th November 2008, 01:03 PM
Tight man, real tight.

judgeboz
25th November 2008, 01:14 PM
great work Nino - she's a beauty.

But one thing thats been bugging me is - what is the red button on the LHS of the coin door for?

spacies
25th November 2008, 01:19 PM
But one thing thats been bugging me is - what is the red button on the LHS of the coin door for?

Free play.

Darksoul
25th November 2008, 02:00 PM
Very nice resto job, Nino.

Strangeways
25th November 2008, 02:01 PM
Free play.

That is correct..

Personally - I don't like them, but it was agreed to leave it there "as is"....


BTW - I didn't really rate Rocky as an "A-List" System 80, but after having the opportunity to play it for a week, I've certainly changed my mind. The "Slingshots" above the flipper pairs do simulate a sparring boxer :D It is a fast game if set up correctly..

hamish_nz
25th November 2008, 02:25 PM
did you try flippers.com for a rocky backglass ?

also TNT ausements & mayfair amusements

stuba
25th November 2008, 02:25 PM
wow, looks fantastic!

at first glance i thought you'd put the flippers on backwards, then i realised the flippers were breeding :lol and there's 4 of them.

looks amazing :)

Strangeways
25th November 2008, 02:54 PM
did you try flippers.com for a rocky backglass ?

also TNT ausements & mayfair amusements

Thanks for the pointers - I tried most while I was searching for a Spirit backglass, and drew a blank.. Mayfair have a NOS Spirit, but by the time I landed it - the cost would have approached AUS$1000 with the dollar dropping ..

Mark has some leads..He might have one glass already.

illawarra_steelers
25th November 2008, 03:07 PM
Looks fantastic mate - don't know how you find the time :unsure

Another game restored - what's next?

markc
25th November 2008, 03:16 PM
this baby will be going home tonight or tomorrow and never been seen again
it will sit very nicely in my games room. with my other pins and machines
once i get it all set up and finish it off in teh new house i will load some pictures , hoepfully by christmas next year

thanks again nino


mark

johnwartjr
27th November 2008, 07:45 AM
Very nice looking game; hope a glass shows up soon!