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Arcade King
9th June 2006, 04:28 PM
First of all I'm the idiot.
My question is "whats a good pinball for a newbie who knows jack shit about them?"

I'll be getting a topper on my home loan soon and its either a dedicated Millipede or a Pinny, at the moment im leaning towards pinball because I don't have one..
Pinballs really scare the shit out of me. PCBs I can repair easy enough but I dunno about pinballs they looks pretty complex.
Things I'd like in a pinball.

1. Something that will hold my interest for more than 5 minutes.
2. Parts readily available
3. Something that doesnt clonk, hammer, clunk, whirrr or spit acid im my eyes.
4. Basically something that is fun and reliable.

I'll sticky this thread i'm hoping to get a education on pinball "stuff"

Savage
9th June 2006, 04:40 PM
Not sure how educational, but I'm not that technical when it comes to pcb's etc..
Go for the pinny, mine gets way more use than the arcade machine, nohting better than seeing an mechancal device light up and you can interacte with it!..

Other than pcb / chips / resisters etc the other stuff isn't too bad.. I've personally since my 'mishap' with you know who ,was in the deep end with piecing parts together, added extras and have done some repairs, mainly flipper and trough board. If I can do that, and seeing what you can do, I don't believe you will have a problem

One thing I did was make a list of Pinny's I like, then search the Interweb for parts info etc for them!
Also the DVD's from This Old Pinbal (marvin3m.com) I bought one was excellent, nothing better to see how to fix somthing! see what they have listed...

rottenpig
9th June 2006, 05:39 PM
i'd go for a pinball too. they are heaps of fun. If i was buying one i would go for the best ones out of the ones i have actually played, rather than taking other peoples advice on the which are the best cause everyones opinion differs. than, like savage said, make a list of the ones you like. then i'd search them on the pinball database to find out more about them. there's heaps of feedback for each pin and there's a fair bit of info on them.

i don't know what your problem is with spitting acid - features like that really get the player involved, who cares about stuff like skin, or the ability to see.

Arcade King
9th June 2006, 05:45 PM
I think there lies my problem I can't remember the ones i have played its been so long.
Just need opinions on a good first Pinny. Judge Dredd??? Twilight Zone???
Whats your Fav and why ?

hamish_nz
9th June 2006, 05:51 PM
EM "electro mechanical" pin's are cheap and a great first start. $300-900
Good working machine will not need much work, Built to last

SS "Solid state" first PCB based pins. Fun but can be harder to maintain. But new
replacement boards available $800 - 1700

DM "Dot Matrix" pins from 90's onwards more expensive and lot more complex
A full shopped machine will be fun but $$$ $1500-$10000

Pins take up a lot of room twice as much as a Arcade. But I think a games room needs a pin

Virgil Tracy
9th June 2006, 05:52 PM
I vote for EM

hamish_nz
9th June 2006, 05:56 PM
I think start out with an "EM" its a cheap start.
Fun, everyone can play, Kids, wifes, no deep rules

Shock_And_Awe
9th June 2006, 06:28 PM
hey Trav, I was in the same boat as you about 9 months ago except that you mentioned that you know nothing about pinballs whereas me.....well I know nothing about anything!
I never played pinnies in the arcades and always thought they were for the old-timers. Thought one would look cool in my gamesroom , bought one, and now is an obsession of mine! I've now got 5:lol
I had no idea what to buy when I first started looking but wanted to make sure whatever I got was considered to be a good game so that if I didn't like it, I could say that pinballs aren't for me instead of wondering whether it was just a shit game.
I read review sites and what rated the best to find out what real pinheads thought.....here's a good link
http://www.jeffspinballpalace.com/RatingsReviews.htm

As for worrying about repairs and maintenance, well for me when I first bought mine, I was too scared to take the ****ing glass off:lol But now, I've just about finished an almost full restore on a pinball and have successfully taken on every repair that has arisen. All I can say is don't let this deter you!

Buy a pinny, it may just be your next passion!!!

GEE
9th June 2006, 06:30 PM
A late model pin will hold your interest, and provide more of an ongoing challenge, than an EM.

Of course, it will cost you more. And require maintenance.

But in my view it's worth every cent.

Savage
9th June 2006, 07:32 PM
One other thing, I used Pinmame to play the pinnies I like. Trav get Twilght zone as that's one of my favorites, or Scared Stiff, love that game too. Forget what you want get what I want!!! :D
or a first good one would be Getway II, man that was on cool pinny, yeah get that too!

DJS
9th June 2006, 08:58 PM
AK

You surely need a pin in your kingdom!!!!!

As for which one I agree with Savage - D/L Pinmame and strat playing some - whilst it is not exactly like the real thing you will be able to actually see what the game does "features, music, toys etc etc". Most tables are very well done.

When I decided to get into pins i had only played Adams and T2 a few times in the 90's - most of my wasted youth was in the 70's - 80's and pins were only the first half - Video took over "as it did with most". But I thought that the 90's machines were much better and would hold my attention longer - which turned out to be the case.

The only thing that can go against the 90's machines is that they will scare off some players/freinds "cant follow the ball and the shots or the rules" - but then who are you buying it for.

The other thing I would worry about is - Where will you put more pins once the bug gets into your system ........


BTW - if you can handle PCB repairs etc then 90's machines will be easy for you. I have done most repairs on my machines and also Full Strips "back to the bare PF". The only area i dont like to get into is the PCB's - scares me as they are the most exy things on a 90's pin- and my soldering iron is a $10 special form bunnings":badgrin

cheers

rottenpig
9th June 2006, 09:54 PM
here's some of peoples fav pins http://www.aussiearcade.com/showthread.php?t=319

whether you buy an em, 80's or 90's pinball is all personal prefference. here's what i think are some advantages / disadvantages of each decade

EM - i have never played an EM machine but think that they would be just as fun to play as the early 80's ones. (not much help here) easy to maintain but may need heaps of work to get into good nick again. very cheap to buy.

Early 80's - very fun to play if you get the right one, heaps of pop bumpers is always a plus, spinners and outlanes are great and they require more skill in my opinion than the newer 90's pins. still a few around in good nick, parts may be a bitch to find in some cases. can get them pretty cheap.

90'S and newer - i only like some 90's pins and they are mostly the ones with the 'barrer' playfields. i am really starting to hate stuff crammed in everywhere just for the sake of it. on most 90's pins wherever you hit the ball it's bound to do something. alot less skill to rack up points than the earlier ones. in saying that, the ones i like, i really like (dr who, austin powers, lethal weapon, south park, world poker tour to name a few) and they would probably be on the top of my list. newer pins frustrate me more than earlier ones but i do get pissed off easilly. these are alot more expensive to get good ones and will probably break down alot more.

this is just my opinion, please feel free to state yours if it differs!!! :D

Savage
15th June 2006, 08:37 PM
What about this one
WILLIAMS "FIR (http://cgi.ebay.com.au/WILLIAMS-FIRE-VERY-RARE-1987-PINBALL_W0QQitemZ6287721365QQcategoryZ3945QQrdZ1QQ cmdZViewItem)E" VERY RARE 1987 PINBALL

Arcade King
20th June 2006, 07:40 PM
Looks a little gay?

Savage
20th June 2006, 08:01 PM
Looks a little gay?

LOL. never thought I would hear a pinball refered to as being a little gay.. didn't go for much either

The Pinny Parlour
20th June 2006, 10:55 PM
FIRE is not a bad pinny. Not great either. I played it a bit in the day.

con
13th July 2006, 06:09 PM
Below is a sample of some of the more popular 90' pins that i have spent lots of $$'s on and would recommend:

Twilight Zone
Addams Family
Theatre Of Magic
Tales of the Arabian Nights
Star Trek The New Generation
Indiana Jones
Attack From Mars - quite an open playfield
Medieval Madness

At the end of the day different people have slightly different preferances, ie rule set, fast open playfield etc etc

But i suggest you play prior to purchase

bwodie
13th July 2006, 06:38 PM
all great machines there con
and mostly very ****ing expensive ones!

Ric
13th July 2006, 06:42 PM
i concur - these are possibly the list of the most expensive of the WMS pins in the 90's

(you could also add Scared Stiff and Circus Voltaire if you really want to start bleeding cash)

con
14th July 2006, 10:22 AM
all great machines there con
and mostly very ****ing expensive ones!

Yeah i suppose they do fetch quite a bit these days.

I am probably biased towards Williams/Bally pins as they are good quality pins if maintained properly.

Some more affordable late 90 pins probably are

Judge Dredd - not bad lots of modes
Dracula
Dr Who
White Water
Fish Tales
The Shadow


Don't forget there are some ripper late William System 11 pins out there that are probably more affordable if your strapped for cash:


Whirlwind - Pat Lawlor design
Earthshaker - cool layout Pat Lawlor Design
The Bride Of Pinbot - cool sounds/music - love making billionaires club
Black Knight 2000 - Fast hard to master
Space Station - Older System 11 but still very good pin

andrej
26th September 2006, 06:23 PM
Go for a Medieval Madness....best pinball around by far. You will not be bored with it nor will you probably complete the game.

rottenpig
26th September 2006, 09:54 PM
yeah, you're right, but who has one for sale? and where are us small-timers gonna get $7000 from? anus? rob someone? i am pretty sure i could break into our neighbours place.......:D

frs
26th September 2006, 10:12 PM
c'mon tax return, c'mon tax return, c'mon tax return

ahh who the **** am I kidding :lol

Ric
27th September 2006, 08:33 AM
$7000 for a toy is a lot especially for a first machine

go something a bit more low key as a first machine - see if you like the feel and the sustainability of play

hamish_nz
27th September 2006, 08:43 AM
The best thing you can do it find out where all the pinballs on location near you and do some "research" spend time playing machines.
You will learn quickly what you like.

Arcade King
28th September 2006, 08:30 PM
What about Star Trek 25th anniversary as a first pin :)

Virgil Tracy
28th September 2006, 09:03 PM
That will be good when it comes out in 2016

Do you mean 25th?

Arcade King
28th September 2006, 09:20 PM
That will be good when it comes out in 2016

Do you mean 25th?

:redface Yeah :)

Ric
28th September 2006, 10:20 PM
Data East - early series - not the best for parts

Trav - if you go early (70's 80s ss) - go WMS or Bally

90's - go bally/WMs

EM - gottlieb

may nee dto spend a bit more but will get a more solid game with more readily avaialbe parts and resources

Arcade King
29th September 2006, 06:16 AM
Well that sucks because I really like the Star Trek

StevOz
29th September 2006, 10:19 AM
Well that sucks because I really like the Star Trek

Well there is always the earlier Bally Star Trek pinball, which I think is actually better and the original classic.

http://www.ipdb.org/machine.cgi?id=2355

Also an excellent VP version available at http://www.pinballnirvana.com/

http://www.pinballnirvana.com/modules/UpDownload/shots/862.jpg

Burra749
29th September 2006, 03:33 PM
How cool would this look next to your TMNT Cab. :cool:
http://cgi.ebay.com.au/TEENAGE-MUTANT-NINJA-TURTLES-PINBALL-DATA-EAST_W0QQitemZ290034521530QQihZ019QQcategoryZ3945Q QrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem

:D

Arcade King
29th September 2006, 03:37 PM
Its one of those "Evil" Data East ones.

Fair Dinkum Dan
4th October 2007, 10:25 PM
A bit of a contradiction don't you think Travis? :p

Cheers,

Dan :cool:

@lien_Zed
5th October 2007, 07:50 AM
Have you thought about building your own Digital Pinball machine???

Basicially it is mame but with a dirty great monitor for the playfield and another , say an LCD for the scoreboard bit that loves in the topbox (you can tell i know all the high tech words)

There is a few emulators rounds like Virtual Pin mame, and Future Pinball.

UltraPin is what i like the looks of (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qke66DCMiFc)

here is a quick movie (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qke66DCMiFc)

im collecting bits and pieces slowly so i can build myself one.

dmworking247
5th October 2007, 09:09 AM
There was a thread about a digital pinball machine the other day.... not my cup of tea personally, but if you've got the money and digital pinball is a true enough experience for you... go for it.

@lien_Zed
5th October 2007, 07:28 PM
There was a thread about a digital pinball machine the other day.... not my cup of tea personally, but if you've got the money and digital pinball is a true enough experience for you... go for it.

The thing i like about a Digial pinnie is that you have one machine with many games, rather then one machine per game

BlackKnight2000
10th October 2007, 12:33 AM
Have you thought about building your own Digital Pinball machine???

Basicially it is mame but with a dirty great monitor for the playfield and another , say an LCD for the scoreboard bit that loves in the topbox (you can tell i know all the high tech words)

There is a few emulators rounds like Virtual Pin mame, and Future Pinball.

UltraPin is what i like the looks of (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qke66DCMiFc)

here is a quick movie (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qke66DCMiFc)

im collecting bits and pieces slowly so i can build myself one.

Mmmm, loves in the top box....a little porno, but I like it!

Nug
30th November 2007, 12:10 PM
the data east pinball machines are not duds. My rocky and bullwinkle was the cheapest and imo the most fun, not super deep, plenty of action still. "hey rocky"!

do not get anything less than a system 11, if your into vids then anything earlier will not hold your interest very long.

regards

PS "fire!" is a brilliant game!

Moose74
6th June 2008, 07:25 PM
Where in Brisbane does a newbie "idjut" go to buy a pin? I want to buy my first soon. But I know **** all about condition vs cost. Who has a showroom of pins with price tags on them? Not just prices they make up when they realise I know **** all?

I am not interested in Ebay. It can go and get ****ed. :097:

Moose.

David_AVD
6th June 2008, 08:20 PM
PM Tony. (boxerdogforever) He's a nice bloke and won't screw you over. He's just over at Mt Cotton, so nice and close to you. He usually works (plays?) on the weekend and as long as you tee it up with him first, I'm sure he'll be happy to show you some pins.

Railways
6th June 2008, 08:32 PM
PM Tony. (boxerdogforever) He's a nice bloke and won't screw you over. He's just over at Mt Cotton, so nice and close to you. He usually works (plays?) on the weekend and as long as you tee it up with him first, I'm sure he'll be happy to show you some pins. As above - What he said

acejas
6th June 2008, 11:38 PM
and again

Talby
12th June 2008, 07:18 PM
For anyone in the same boat............

I am no expert, this is just my humble opinion.

What one man likes another probably won't. I would suggest getting something that isn't really easy to play......it will drive you insane but it will also show you what a good pinball is capable of. The machine has to appeal to you, by this I mean it's theme and looks. Just because something may look good, doesn't mean it will suit you and vice versa. I bought a Getaway II machine and sold it not too long after whereas my BSD machine still has me spending way too much time away from the Bride and kids. There was nothing wrong with the Getaway, I just couldn't get into it like I do the Dracula machine.

I don't know if you really ever master a difficult pinball machine but it will suck you in, empty your wallet because you will want to pretty it up just like a nice car, gives you the poos and leave you with a smile on your face all at the same time. A good pinball machine can't be beaten, you will have good games and then the next game play like my wife - it is the randomness of pinball that makes it so alluring.

For this I would suggest a SS machine from the early 90's, I spose it all depends on your budget. Personally I think if you got something that is easy to play, you run the risk of getting bored and as aforementioned, not realising the full potential of these addictive buggers.

I relied heavily on the Internet Pinball Database (IPDB) www.ipdb.org/
and concentrated on machines that had a rating of at least 8 and more like 8.2 and above. In my research, Williams machines kept coming up as the overall best machines to buy. You will also spend hours on the net searching for parts from around the world...all good fun.

As far as repairs go, some are easy to pick up and the thought of others still scare me. Best to watch an expert if you have the opportunity and sponge off them if you can. Try to find an honest and reliable technician who is prepared to also give you advice via email or over the phone as well as servicing the machine. You will find most of the guys are supportive and realise that novices like you and I along with the experienced guys are going to keep the pinball industry alive.

Sorry about the essay, feel free to contact me if you like.

Arcade King
12th June 2008, 07:20 PM
LoL I've owned 4 pins since I created this thread, hopefully the good advice in it will help others that are in the same boat :)

Talby
12th June 2008, 07:23 PM
Yep yep yep, just noticed the date. As you can see I am new to this. Hopefully it may help someone else.

MrMaloo
17th June 2008, 10:24 PM
Whether you're a noob to pinball repairs (or arcade) you can rest easy as help is only a "New Post" away.Plenty of help and advice in the AA forums.

LOTR4U
27th June 2008, 09:03 AM
Rule 101:- DON'T buy a pinball thru a middle person or dealer acting on yourbehalf :unsure Go and look at the machine first hand or send someone. The person at the end of the transaction could drop the ball and in the end the buyer looses out. The middle person may seem friendly but money does strange things to people.

Rule 102: Also note down any specific things about the machine so a swticharoo can't be done if your getting it delivered.

enderwa
28th June 2008, 03:16 AM
LoL I've owned 4 pins since I created this thread, hopefully the good advice in it will help others that are in the same boat :)

so do tell us more.

what did you buy - what did you start with and why ?

SPURR
31st January 2009, 10:58 AM
I vote for EM easy to work on

I vote with you to:sm1:

jyebow
31st January 2009, 04:22 PM
I vote with you to:sm1:

I agree Guys.
EM's are easy to work on, You can usually "see" what the problem is.
It's not uncommon for an EM to be in storage for years & fire up straight away.
IMO.
cheers Steve.

knight76
25th June 2009, 09:40 AM
A Funhouse is probably the only pin I could get past the minister for finance, how much would a Funhouse cost in better than average condition?

bwodie
25th June 2009, 09:54 AM
A Funhouse is probably the only pin I could get past the minister for finance, how much would a Funhouse cost in better than average condition?

depends what better than average means tbh mate
funhouse is plagued with a few playfield problems, primarily insert lifting
Its rare to find one without some sort of insert lifting
I think if you budgeted 2700-3200 you could find something good

Mickey Juice
25th June 2009, 01:00 PM
..and PF wear. Only a handful were diamond plated... so most will have signs of wear.

knight76
25th June 2009, 01:21 PM
..and PF wear. Only a handful were diamond plated... so most will have signs of wear.

Apparently about 400 were diamond plated.

knight76
26th June 2009, 04:31 PM
Say I was to buy a pinball in ok condition, not working.

What would a good restoration set me back? Now I know you can't give specific estimates, but a ball park idea so I can work out weather it is worth while or not.

narf_
26th June 2009, 05:49 PM
thats a tough one without knowing exactly why it isnt working

anything from a broken wire to totally fried boards in that question

knight76
29th June 2009, 09:56 AM
Another question -

What are the costs associated with importing a Pin. I see some have bought pins from Pauls50s, what sort of dollars could I expect to pay for importing on top of shipping.