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Welcome to the Visual Pinball Gaming League with VPGL 16 - Double Flip. This tournament is the 4th of the new decade and part of the overall VPGL 2020 and all gamers worldwide are welcome to play. You can join in at any time and play.

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MGLXLV - ARCADE HAVE A GO - TOURNAMENT DETAILS

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Welcome to arcade gaming with MGLXLV- Arcade Have A Go. This is the third tournament of the WORLD CHAMPIONSHIP OF ESPORTS for 2020. All gamers worldwide are welcome to game. You can also join in at any time.

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CABINET RESTORATION - TZ - to assist others

I have taken a short break from my landscaping duties in the new house and just completed a Twilight Zone cabinet restore. As I have said before, there are many guys that do really nice resto work, and this thread is really to assist someone who is considering taking the step to have a go themselves....
 

Gottlieb Sea Belles August 1956

gottlieb sea belles 1956

so, how many years does it make her?

bill picking up a project in the next few days, a very dirty, neglected old 50s woody.

so good these are still out there, though very rare now.

lets start with the new playfield plastics...
 

Announcement: Western Australia set to have its very own Pinball Festival

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Western Australia is set to have its very own Pinball Festival 😊

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  • Reply to Piston Shooter Rod
    by Dedrok
    Looks great. Probably also a good option as a mod for piston lane.
    I think it looks fine as is.
    Keep fine tuning, and yes, Metallica engraving would look good, even just the big M....
    Today, 12:43 AM
  • Reply to MGLXLV - Game 4 ~ Vs. Dr. Mario (closes 4-Oct)
    by Wan1993
    7,200

    I played the version of Nes as a child and apparently, I was never good. Haha

    ​​

    I will try more often....
    Yesterday, 11:45 PM
  • Reply to Fathom
    by Pinoffski
    It is cheaper to buy a fully restored game
    If it has been done top and bottom..
    I would only purchase one from Nino .....
    Yesterday, 11:26 PM
  • Reply to Kill bill looks sweet
    by Railways
    love it. What a great title. Go Scarlett.
    Yesterday, 11:21 PM
  • Reply to Fathom
    by Railways
    Yes maybe so Steve but times have changed in personal game taste and preferences to game play. Multiball is a given these days and afte rall Firepower was a hit with speech and multiball.
    how many of those were sold?...
    Yesterday, 11:13 PM
  • Reply to MGLXLV - Game 2 ~ Cosmic Alien (closes 20-Sep)
    by Wan1993
    12,040

    Saying goodbye to the game.
    I don't know if I will have time to raise more, but enjoyed the game.

    Gradually we notice patterns in the movement of enemies.

    I noticed that our ship seems to be going up on the screen.

    ...
    Yesterday, 11:12 PM
  • Reply to Piston Shooter Rod
    by Pinoffski
    Just looking at the piston rod.
    i will remove the fin/ skirt..
    Will look a lot cleaner ...
    Yesterday, 11:07 PM
  • Reply to Fathom
    by Autosteve
    Ever given it a thought why Bally only made 3500 Fathoms, 3250 Medusas and 3700 Centaurs but the same year Bally made 10,000 Flash Gordons and 8,250 Eight ball Deluxes?.
    They all had in line drop targets, all had multiple target banks, all had squark and talk boards however the 3 lowest sellers...
    Yesterday, 11:06 PM
  • Reply to Pinball Quirks Weirdness and Oddities???
    by Brk_oth
    some oddities:
    Pay extra to buy an instant multiball game on Judge Dredd.
    Games with bonus time, such as most Zaccarias awarding a timed ball based on how many targets you hit.
    Time Fantasy deducts points if you fail to shoot the lit loop and end up shooting the unlit loop.
    Safe...
    Yesterday, 11:06 PM
  • Reply to After 3 Years, Finally Finished!
    by Yogo
    As for plans, I’ve based things off a Williams wide body plan that I found somewhere and modified it to fit a 32” Tv for the back box. Other plans I did up were for the acrylic for the back box and a custom sized piece of tempered glass with black vinyl sticker to hide wiring etc.
    Yesterday, 10:58 PM
  • Reply to Fathom
    by Railways
    LOL. ...
    Yesterday, 10:58 PM
  • Reply to New bally/wms Cab
    by Railways
    Totally. Fishtales has a good sized hole for the caster rod handle but TAF as a triangle of sorts for plunger.

    If and when someone does them full time it would have to be game specific in a lot of cases. Especially the front face. I have also heard of a CV that had the hinge bolt holes...
    Yesterday, 10:56 PM
  • Reply to Fathom
    by Jaybee
    Sending you a pm re your pm 😊...
    Yesterday, 10:55 PM
  • Reply to After 3 Years, Finally Finished!
    by Yogo
    I ended up actually building 2 cabs. The first one I gave to a friend who helped me with the carpentry work. It was originally a Windows 7 Pro machine but I ran into some stability problems. It had nothing to do with the OS just some bad parts but I ended up blowing it all away and going to Windows...
    Yesterday, 10:53 PM
  • Reply to New bally/wms Cab
    by Ballypinball
    and some have shooter rod and some have button, some have a start and buy in button and holes in the side of the cabinet are in a different location as well...
    Yesterday, 10:48 PM
  • Reply to The PVM-2730QM thread (H-STAT issue, colour bleed, convergence and more!)
    by Rat
    Hey at buttersoft dude I had a small meet recently, sorry you missed out, I didn't make it public as I wanted numbers to be under 20 which was great and made for a fun casual meet.
    That said if you are coming to Lonnie send me a PM as I'm usually home and you are welcome to come along and play...
    Yesterday, 10:28 PM
  • Reply to New bally/wms Cab
    by Railways
    Yep, have to agree with that. For example the flipper holes in early WPC games like FT, TAF, GI are in a different location to later games like RS, FS,

    Add to that the wpc95 games have the rear leg bolts in a different height so not one size fits all....
    Yesterday, 10:28 PM
  • Reply to Gottlieb Kewpie Doll, Just 21 and Hi Diver - 3 woodrail restorations
    by illawarra_steelers
    gottlieb hi diver:

    installation of the repro background scenery in the head. then placed cardboard down to protect as the 5 stepper units are rebuilt.

    placed a local order for 8 of the new globe holders to replace the rusted out originals.

    this totally explains...
    Yesterday, 10:24 PM
  • Reply to Pinball Quirks Weirdness and Oddities???
    by Replay
    TZ flipper thing is a feature of Home Roms...
    Yesterday, 10:15 PM
  • Reply to Piston Shooter Rod
    by Pinoffski
    All good mate,
    I made the sparky air ball plastics ..
    Just really making mods for my pinballs..

    But people ask for some so I try to make it.....
    Yesterday, 10:13 PM
  • Pinfest 2020
    by Sartana66
    The Newcastle Pinball Association is proud to announce...
    PINFEST 2020.
    Yes its on again for the 9th year!

    IMPORTANT EVENT INFORMATION
    MUST READ OR YOU WILL MISS OUT.
    Due to Covid-19 restrictions, there are significant changes to this years event. The biggest being...
    Yesterday, 10:10 PM
  • Reply to Piston Shooter Rod
    by Railways
    Smaller would look silly. It suits a mans handgrip
    Yesterday, 10:07 PM
  • Reply to Piston Shooter Rod
    by Pinoffski
    Made it out of solid aluminium...
    I have never purchased a after market shooter rod..
    So even this feels different to me ..
    Yesterday, 10:04 PM
  • Williams DMD Art Prints
    by neophob
    Hi - I wrote a Williams Pinball Emulator (https://playfield.dev/) and thought that I could use my emulator as source to build fantastic looking art print. At least I like them - up to you to decide

    Anyway I sell them at http://concealed-art.com/

    Cheers!...
    Yesterday, 10:00 PM
  • Reply to Piston Shooter Rod
    by pinball god
    I actually quite like it, I was gonna maybe 3d print piston head for my metallica but I think this might look quite good. Plastic wouldn't be sharp but steel looks much nicer. Well done

    my bad I now see you got it on a metallica 😂 now it sure does look the part just maybe I touch smaller...
    Yesterday, 09:56 PM

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  • Reply to Piston Shooter Rod
    by Dedrok
    Looks great. Probably also a good option as a mod for piston lane.
    I think it looks fine as is.
    Keep fine tuning, and yes, Metallica engraving would look good, even just the big M....
    Today, 12:43 AM
  • Reply to MGLXLV - Game 4 ~ Vs. Dr. Mario (closes 4-Oct)
    by Wan1993
    7,200

    I played the version of Nes as a child and apparently, I was never good. Haha

    ​​

    I will try more often....
    Yesterday, 11:45 PM
  • Reply to Fathom
    by Pinoffski
    It is cheaper to buy a fully restored game
    If it has been done top and bottom..
    I would only purchase one from Nino .....
    Yesterday, 11:26 PM
  • Reply to Kill bill looks sweet
    by Railways
    love it. What a great title. Go Scarlett.
    Yesterday, 11:21 PM
  • Reply to Fathom
    by Railways
    Yes maybe so Steve but times have changed in personal game taste and preferences to game play. Multiball is a given these days and afte rall Firepower was a hit with speech and multiball.
    how many of those were sold?...
    Yesterday, 11:13 PM
  • Reply to MGLXLV - Game 2 ~ Cosmic Alien (closes 20-Sep)
    by Wan1993
    12,040

    Saying goodbye to the game.
    I don't know if I will have time to raise more, but enjoyed the game.

    Gradually we notice patterns in the movement of enemies.

    I noticed that our ship seems to be going up on the screen.

    ...
    Yesterday, 11:12 PM
  • Reply to Piston Shooter Rod
    by Pinoffski
    Just looking at the piston rod.
    i will remove the fin/ skirt..
    Will look a lot cleaner ...
    Yesterday, 11:07 PM
  • Reply to Fathom
    by Autosteve
    Ever given it a thought why Bally only made 3500 Fathoms, 3250 Medusas and 3700 Centaurs but the same year Bally made 10,000 Flash Gordons and 8,250 Eight ball Deluxes?.
    They all had in line drop targets, all had multiple target banks, all had squark and talk boards however the 3 lowest sellers...
    Yesterday, 11:06 PM
  • Reply to Pinball Quirks Weirdness and Oddities???
    by Brk_oth
    some oddities:
    Pay extra to buy an instant multiball game on Judge Dredd.
    Games with bonus time, such as most Zaccarias awarding a timed ball based on how many targets you hit.
    Time Fantasy deducts points if you fail to shoot the lit loop and end up shooting the unlit loop.
    Safe...
    Yesterday, 11:06 PM
  • Reply to After 3 Years, Finally Finished!
    by Yogo
    As for plans, I’ve based things off a Williams wide body plan that I found somewhere and modified it to fit a 32” Tv for the back box. Other plans I did up were for the acrylic for the back box and a custom sized piece of tempered glass with black vinyl sticker to hide wiring etc.
    Yesterday, 10:58 PM
  • Reply to Fathom
    by Railways
    LOL. ...
    Yesterday, 10:58 PM
  • Reply to New bally/wms Cab
    by Railways
    Totally. Fishtales has a good sized hole for the caster rod handle but TAF as a triangle of sorts for plunger.

    If and when someone does them full time it would have to be game specific in a lot of cases. Especially the front face. I have also heard of a CV that had the hinge bolt holes...
    Yesterday, 10:56 PM
  • Reply to Fathom
    by Jaybee
    Sending you a pm re your pm 😊...
    Yesterday, 10:55 PM
  • Reply to After 3 Years, Finally Finished!
    by Yogo
    I ended up actually building 2 cabs. The first one I gave to a friend who helped me with the carpentry work. It was originally a Windows 7 Pro machine but I ran into some stability problems. It had nothing to do with the OS just some bad parts but I ended up blowing it all away and going to Windows...
    Yesterday, 10:53 PM
  • Reply to New bally/wms Cab
    by Ballypinball
    and some have shooter rod and some have button, some have a start and buy in button and holes in the side of the cabinet are in a different location as well...
    Yesterday, 10:48 PM
  • Reply to The PVM-2730QM thread (H-STAT issue, colour bleed, convergence and more!)
    by Rat
    Hey at buttersoft dude I had a small meet recently, sorry you missed out, I didn't make it public as I wanted numbers to be under 20 which was great and made for a fun casual meet.
    That said if you are coming to Lonnie send me a PM as I'm usually home and you are welcome to come along and play...
    Yesterday, 10:28 PM
  • Reply to New bally/wms Cab
    by Railways
    Yep, have to agree with that. For example the flipper holes in early WPC games like FT, TAF, GI are in a different location to later games like RS, FS,

    Add to that the wpc95 games have the rear leg bolts in a different height so not one size fits all....
    Yesterday, 10:28 PM
  • Reply to Gottlieb Kewpie Doll, Just 21 and Hi Diver - 3 woodrail restorations
    by illawarra_steelers
    gottlieb hi diver:

    installation of the repro background scenery in the head. then placed cardboard down to protect as the 5 stepper units are rebuilt.

    placed a local order for 8 of the new globe holders to replace the rusted out originals.

    this totally explains...
    Yesterday, 10:24 PM
  • Reply to Pinball Quirks Weirdness and Oddities???
    by Replay
    TZ flipper thing is a feature of Home Roms...
    Yesterday, 10:15 PM
  • Reply to Piston Shooter Rod
    by Pinoffski
    All good mate,
    I made the sparky air ball plastics ..
    Just really making mods for my pinballs..

    But people ask for some so I try to make it.....
    Yesterday, 10:13 PM
  • Pinfest 2020
    by Sartana66
    The Newcastle Pinball Association is proud to announce...
    PINFEST 2020.
    Yes its on again for the 9th year!

    IMPORTANT EVENT INFORMATION
    MUST READ OR YOU WILL MISS OUT.
    Due to Covid-19 restrictions, there are significant changes to this years event. The biggest being...
    Yesterday, 10:10 PM
  • Reply to Piston Shooter Rod
    by Railways
    Smaller would look silly. It suits a mans handgrip
    Yesterday, 10:07 PM
  • Reply to Piston Shooter Rod
    by Pinoffski
    Made it out of solid aluminium...
    I have never purchased a after market shooter rod..
    So even this feels different to me ..
    Yesterday, 10:04 PM
  • Williams DMD Art Prints
    by neophob
    Hi - I wrote a Williams Pinball Emulator (https://playfield.dev/) and thought that I could use my emulator as source to build fantastic looking art print. At least I like them - up to you to decide

    Anyway I sell them at http://concealed-art.com/

    Cheers!...
    Yesterday, 10:00 PM
  • Reply to Piston Shooter Rod
    by pinball god
    I actually quite like it, I was gonna maybe 3d print piston head for my metallica but I think this might look quite good. Plastic wouldn't be sharp but steel looks much nicer. Well done

    my bad I now see you got it on a metallica 😂 now it sure does look the part just maybe I touch smaller...
    Yesterday, 09:56 PM

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  • Piston Shooter Rod
    by Pinoffski
    I made a proto type Piston shooter rod today
    maybe not to everyone's liking ...
    anyhow here is some pics
    feel free to make comments and suggestions




    just thinking maybe to engrave Metallica on the front of the piston...
    Yesterday, 06:37 PM
  • Fathom
    by adamsebas
    Bally Fathom - only 3500 produced

    This machine rarely comes up for sale - it took me 3 years to track one down!
    Anyone who is familiar with the game play understands that it is an amazing game that more thans holds up today in terms of fun/rules/challenge etc.


    ...
    Yesterday, 04:05 PM
  • New bally/wms Cab
    by dmeca
    hey all,

    Does anyone know how much a new cab would be?

    And who sells them?

    Thanks

    -Dave
    Yesterday, 02:31 PM
  • What "Aussie theme" would you like to see?
    by chopchop
    Let's say a manufacturer offered to make a smallish run of a game specifically for Aussies with a theme we would like to see (this is not a hypothetical question by the way).

    What suggestions would people have? They would want it to sell in the US as well to cover costs/make a profit,...
    15 September 2020, 10:22 AM
  • Pinball Quirks Weirdness and Oddities???
    by DAG
    So I was out at a Mates place last night and played "Surfin Safari" and he was kicking my Arse.
    That is until my skill shot awarded me the "Chase players Score" Award . I was on 800k and he was on 11.7 million.
    Until my skill shot rounded me up to his score....What...
    Yesterday, 12:11 PM
  • Pinfest 2020
    by Sartana66
    The Newcastle Pinball Association is proud to announce...
    PINFEST 2020.
    Yes its on again for the 9th year!

    IMPORTANT EVENT INFORMATION
    MUST READ OR YOU WILL MISS OUT.
    Due to Covid-19 restrictions, there are significant changes to this years event. The biggest being...
    Yesterday, 10:10 PM
  • Williams DMD Art Prints
    by neophob
    Hi - I wrote a Williams Pinball Emulator (https://playfield.dev/) and thought that I could use my emulator as source to build fantastic looking art print. At least I like them - up to you to decide

    Anyway I sell them at http://concealed-art.com/

    Cheers!...
    Yesterday, 10:00 PM
  • Pinfest 2020
    by kress


    IMPORTANT EVENT INFORMATION
    MUST READ OR YOU WILL MISS OUT.
    Due to Covid-19 restrictions, there are significant changes to this years event. The biggest being that there will be a limited number of tickets available per session.
    Tickets will only be available for pre-purchase...
    Yesterday, 09:38 PM
  • Pinfest 2020
    by kress
    MPORTANT EVENT INFORMATION
    MUST READ OR YOU WILL MISS OUT.
    Due to Covid-19 restrictions, there are significant changes to this years event. The biggest being that there will be a limited number of tickets available per session.
    Tickets will only be available for pre-purchase on-line...
    Yesterday, 09:30 PM
  • FREE DATA EAST 'QUICK LOC' DECALS
    by Glenn70
    After a recent request from another AA member I had previously printed this decal for, I hijacked the printer at work this arvo and printed a few extra ones. I have 12 decals in total (6 with 'red' warning print and 6 with 'black' warning print). They are printed on standard label paper and not the...
    17 September 2020, 06:47 PM
  • Are Switch Slot Protectors worth installing?
    by Strahany
    Just a quick question of what people think of Switch Slot Protectors? I have not installed them on any of my games yet and they are pretty expensive for what they are, but however if they save a restored or new playfield then i'm up for it.
    Do they effect game play at all?
    Do they rub and...
    Yesterday, 01:05 AM
  • Epic 1979 pinball themed disco clip
    by Whitewater
    Check it out (after you get past the first 20 seconds it is awesome)



    ...
    Yesterday, 08:32 AM
  • Road Show Parts
    by allsportdvd.com
    Hi all. I’m looking to rebuild a Road Show that is missing the following parts.
    Can anyone help me with the following:
    * Shaker Motor
    * Red’s Hair
    * Red’s Face
    * Back of Ted’s Head
    * Coin Door coin slot surround (3 coin slots)
    * Flying Rocks Metal Diverter...
    16 September 2020, 04:41 PM
  • MGLXLV - Game 4 ~ Vs. Dr. Mario (closes 4-Oct)
    by OOO
    Helping others …

    MGLXLV – Game 4 ~ Vs. Dr. Mario

    Nominated by gamer: Blackflag82

    ROMSet 106: drmario.zip



    Game Story:
    Starting with a few coloured germs in their pill bottle, players must rotate and stack two-coloured pills as Mario...
    15 September 2020, 09:49 AM
  • Fitbit ionic still in box
    by pinball god
    Fitbit ionic watch in box not opened. Already have one. Retail $399 but I've seen amazon has for $329

    so asking $250 plus postage...
    Yesterday, 02:19 PM
  • Missing 4 Twilight Zone Plastics
    by mame71
    Hello,
    I am looking for the following four TZ plastics below and hoping someone will have these or a spare and are happy to let go.
    Preferrably used but in very good condition with no chips to the artwork or new (NOS) condition or a mix, happy either way.
    Let me know.

    ...
    16 September 2020, 11:53 PM
  • Hot Wheels in Queensland
    by Ballypinball
    We have a Hot Wheels Pinball in Queensland where would people like to be able to see and play it.

    Venues Comps etc

    As Melbourne is in Lockdown we sent it to QLD....
    17 September 2020, 08:00 PM
  • Demolition Man and BSD
    by Steakfist
    Just got these pins from robm a few weeks ago and want to make them pop a bit.

    First thing I did was put led strips under the cabs - red for Drac and blue for DM.
    I've sent the wireframe ramps and lockdown bar from BSD to get powder coated blood red, waiting on some new siderails...
    17 September 2020, 12:47 PM
  • WTB - Super Off Road Marquee
    by Andyj965
    Just putting it out there in case anyone has a marquee to suit a super off road three player cab.

    Cheers,
    Andy...
    Yesterday, 04:48 PM
  • project Starship troopers
    by Pop Bumper Pete
    EDIT, this is only a price check, there is no guarantee that i will sell

    thinking of moving on my project Starship troopers
    Cabinet is solid and nice colors
    electronics, game does not turn on
    I have all the toys and most parts, but game is in pieces
    playfield , the...
    17 September 2020, 12:19 PM
  • Wanted Stern trident
    by Jaybee
    Someone I know is chasing a trident for a birthday gift .
    Let me know if anyone wants to part with one , Cheers...
    17 September 2020, 11:42 AM
  • 3D printing to order - where do I go?
    by 1.21 Gigawatts
    Sorry if this is an obvious question to those in the know. I want to get eight approximately matchbox sized parts printed that someone on another forum has uploaded the files to Thingyverse. Is it as simple as sending the files to a online printing company and ordering them? Any advice is appreciat...
    17 September 2020, 06:09 PM
  • FS Star Trek premium
    by DiGiTaLJaM
    Hey guys
    my mate has a Star Trek premium he wants to move on
    plays well has titan rubbers and coin taker leds installed also movie code installed
    want 10k or trade for a similar title
    pm for pics ect
    cheers...
    16 September 2020, 08:58 AM
  • Bally EBD 1st edition
    by Railways
    Bally Eight Ball Deluxe 1st edition (I think). Headbox and cab numbers don' t match - not unusual for this period.

    Playfield is average with touchups. To do this game justice it does need another PF.

    Cab is solid with touchups.

    Backglass is great with a few extremely...
    13 September 2020, 08:59 PM
  • JUDGE DREDD RESTO
    by Glenn70
    With a cold and wet winter in Melb (and strict lockdown rules), forcing me to postpone my landscaping, I recently got onto this JD restoration and thought I'd share my work. Full cabinet restore and playfield strip down, clean and rebuild - about 80-100hrs of work.

    The machine was purchased...
    15 September 2020, 10:00 PM

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    Come after work, enjoy the Sneaky Baron hospitality and make new friends. Warm up from 5:30pm comp from 6:00pm. We have a terrific friendly player group and new...
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    Come after work, enjoy the Sneaky Baron hospitality and make new friends. Warm up from 5:30pm...
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