• Enraged
  • Embarrased
  • Drunk
  • Down
  • Depressed
  • Crying
  • Crazy
  • Cool
  • Cocky
  • Bemused
  • Awesome
  • Annoyed
  • Angry
  • Amused
  • Friendly
  • Geeky
  • Godly
  • Happy
  • Hateful
  • Hungry
  • Innocent
  • Meh
  • Piratey
  • Poorly
  • Sad
  • Secret
  • Shy
  • Sneaky
  • Tired
  • Wtf
  • Page 20 of 21 FirstFirst ... 1018192021 LastLast
    Results 191 to 200 of 201

    Thread: Stern, Spike and the furture of Pinball

    1. #191
      Homepin's Avatar
      Homepin is online now
      is hereby granted the status
      of.....TECHSPERT
       
      Secret
       

      Join Date
      Jan 2009
      State
      Cairns
      Posts
      13,200
      Mentioned
      391 Post(s)
      Quoted
      3306 Post(s)
      Vatican

      One SPIKE and it's finished!

    2. #192
      Ryza's Avatar
      Ryza is online now
      is Waiting Patiently for Hobbit
      Wizard mode
       
      Awesome
       

      Join Date
      Aug 2014
      State
      Victoria
      Posts
      3,602
      Mentioned
      295 Post(s)
      Quoted
      1823 Post(s)
      Australia
      Quote Originally Posted by Homepin View Post
      SPIKE one didn't support LCD screens - this was changed in SPIKE two for LCD support.
      Well technically it did support lcd. Wwe had that small one on the pf

    3. #193
      Glenn70's Avatar
      Glenn70 is online now
      This user has no status.
       
      ----
       

      Join Date
      May 2016
      State
      Victoria
      Posts
      350
      Mentioned
      5 Post(s)
      Quoted
      110 Post(s)
      Australia
      Quote Originally Posted by Timbo View Post
      You mean 2.3%.
      You are spot on. Thanks for that. Must've been too tired at 1am when I was typing.

      - - - Updated - - -

      Quote Originally Posted by Arcade King View Post
      Maybe ask them why the prices are increasing as opposed to whats actually in the machine.
      Lets look back on this in 5 years time and judge then. Salesmen are suppose to talk up their product.
      Yes, understand re salesmen. My wife is in sales and 'talk it up' she can do very well. Luckily she does as it helps pay for my pins!

      I agree re the 5 years as I will be (and many others too I am tipping) very interested to see where these games are at.

      Cheers.

    4. #194
      pocketmoney's Avatar
      pocketmoney is offline
      is Getting ready to move.
       
      Geeky
       

      Join Date
      Nov 2005
      State
      Sunshine Coast
      Posts
      506
      Mentioned
      26 Post(s)
      Quoted
      44 Post(s)
      Australia
      As far as repairs go proprietary electronics will make it very difficult if not near impossible to economically repair a board, especially where firmware is involved.
      As Mike pointed out Stern are not likely to release to thr end user the code in their chips.

      I also noted what very much looked like a microchip PIC microcontroller on Mikes example of one of his "repairable" boards. Does this mean we will be supplied the micro-code from "homepin" to facilitate repairs if required.

      Certainly not stirring anything here, I do have the absolute utmost respect for what Mike is doing and I am excited to see the results..... just wondering is all.

      Cheers

    5. #195
      ocyen's Avatar
      ocyen is offline
      This user has no status.
       
      ----
       

      Join Date
      Mar 2014
      State
      Sydney, NSW
      Posts
      781
      Mentioned
      28 Post(s)
      Quoted
      261 Post(s)
      Australia
      This is an interesting discussion. I don't think there is much that can be said about SPIKE that hasn't already been said.

      The real test will be to see how SPIKE games are operating in four or five years. It is irrelevant having this discussion now because none of the SPIKE games have actually been played much. It would be interesting to compare the number of failures on a WPC game to a SPIKE game after the same number of plays and in a commercial environment.

      I'm just frustrated that I'm only just getting my head around the WPC system and now there's another one I'll eventually have to learn...

    6. #196
      Gemini2544's Avatar
      Gemini2544 is offline
      is in the mancave today!
       
      Awesome
       

      Join Date
      Mar 2010
      State
      Wimmera, Victoria
      Posts
      4,728
      Mentioned
      52 Post(s)
      Quoted
      1126 Post(s)
      Australia
      Quote Originally Posted by ocyen View Post
      It would be interesting to compare the number of failures on a WPC game to a SPIKE game after the same number of plays and in a commercial environment.
      Quite possible more failures overall with WPC (leds & globes counted as a failure included), however WPC is repairable, & that's the big difference.

    7. #197
      Homepin's Avatar
      Homepin is online now
      is hereby granted the status
      of.....TECHSPERT
       
      Secret
       

      Join Date
      Jan 2009
      State
      Cairns
      Posts
      13,200
      Mentioned
      391 Post(s)
      Quoted
      3306 Post(s)
      Vatican
      Quote Originally Posted by pocketmoney View Post
      I also noted what very much looked like a microchip PIC microcontroller on Mikes example of one of his "repairable" boards. Does this mean we will be supplied the micro-code from "homepin" to facilitate repairs if required.

      Certainly not stirring anything here, I do have the absolute utmost respect for what Mike is doing and I am excited to see the results..... just wondering is all.
      We are using several small microcontrollers for a couple of reasons.

      We wanted certain, complex mechanisms to work on their own - to be autonomous. This allows an entire mechanism, let's use the Tracy Island mech as the example here, to be removed from the machine and adjusted or repaired on the bench. This mech has 7 opto inputs, two motors to drive and two different effects lamps. If we designed it the traditional way, that would gobble up 11 of the I/O available from the main board.

      Now we only need three and a bonus is we have added test switches to the board. With any fault on this board, the board is 100% through hole parts and they are pretty well all common electronics so a competent person skilled in electronics repair will have no problem diagnosing and repairing this board. The microcontroller is fitted in a socket so could easily be replaced if it was suspected and........

      .......we will have the hex code available on the Homepin website, downloadable for anyone who wants to have it. Not the source, but the hex so a replacement chip could be programmed at any time in the future.

      I don't envisage any problems with the electronics BUT, (and I don't have final prices - this is just my "guesstimate") a replacement chip should be around $10, a complete (tested) board around $150 and we will also offer a repair service as many others might also.

      The biggest advantage doing things this way is the ease of assembly and testing for us in the factory and for the end user, the ease of testing or repairing each of our assemblies that are designed this way. This will make diagnosing a problem and fixing it much more straightforward in my opinion.

      I like the Stern bus system and we certainly were looking at doing something similar but for every positive, the idea has several negatives.

      I'm very comfortable with the way our electronics has developed despite our initial setbacks when we lost all of the work done. That's a story for a different thread.

    8. #198
      pocketmoney's Avatar
      pocketmoney is offline
      is Getting ready to move.
       
      Geeky
       

      Join Date
      Nov 2005
      State
      Sunshine Coast
      Posts
      506
      Mentioned
      26 Post(s)
      Quoted
      44 Post(s)
      Australia
      Quote Originally Posted by Homepin View Post
      We are using several small microcontrollers for a couple of reasons.

      We wanted certain, complex mechanisms to work on their own - to be autonomous. This allows an entire mechanism, let's use the Tracy Island mech as the example here, to be removed from the machine and adjusted or repaired on the bench. This mech has 7 opto inputs, two motors to drive and two different effects lamps. If we designed it the traditional way, that would gobble up 11 of the I/O available from the main board.

      Now we only need three and a bonus is we have added test switches to the board. With any fault on this board, the board is 100% through hole parts and they are pretty well all common electronics so a competent person skilled in electronics repair will have no problem diagnosing and repairing this board. The microcontroller is fitted in a socket so could easily be replaced if it was suspected and........

      .......we will have the hex code available on the Homepin website, downloadable for anyone who wants to have it. Not the source, but the hex so a replacement chip could be programmed at any time in the future.

      I don't envisage any problems with the electronics BUT, (and I don't have final prices - this is just my "guesstimate") a replacement chip should be around $10, a complete (tested) board around $150 and we will also offer a repair service as many others might also.

      The biggest advantage doing things this way is the ease of assembly and testing for us in the factory and for the end user, the ease of testing or repairing each of our assemblies that are designed this way. This will make diagnosing a problem and fixing it much more straightforward in my opinion.

      I like the Stern bus system and we certainly were looking at doing something similar but for every positive, the idea has several negatives.

      I'm very comfortable with the way our electronics has developed despite our initial setbacks when we lost all of the work done. That's a story for a different thread.
      Thanks for clearing that up Mike, not that there was any issue. I applaud your decision to allow download of proprietary hex code to allow future repairs possible.
      I also understand why you decided to go the microcontroller route as it does allow more flexibility. My only concern was that microcontrollers do have (mostly) secure code and replication can be an issue if in the future replacements with the code weren't available. Thanks for clearing that up.

      Keep up the good work Mike.

    9. #199
      Pie Chucker's Avatar
      Pie Chucker is offline
      This user has no status.
       
      ----
       

      Join Date
      Mar 2015
      State
      NSW
      Posts
      138
      Mentioned
      13 Post(s)
      Quoted
      48 Post(s)
      Australia
      Quote Originally Posted by hotty View Post
      Is it about the title or the OS? I think a title will always win this argument especially for the "dream title" that many want made for themselves regardless of whats driving it because in reality we don't have that choice.
      Not for me. Star Wars is far and away my favourite movie, but the litany of failures from Stern over the last few years killed any interest I would- SHOULD- have had in this game. Had JJP got the licence I would probably now be trying to scrape together $14k for a NIB.

    10. #200
      Gemini2544's Avatar
      Gemini2544 is offline
      is in the mancave today!
       
      Awesome
       

      Join Date
      Mar 2010
      State
      Wimmera, Victoria
      Posts
      4,728
      Mentioned
      52 Post(s)
      Quoted
      1126 Post(s)
      Australia
      Quote Originally Posted by Pie Chucker View Post
      Not for me. Star Wars is far and away my favourite movie, but the litany of failures from Stern over the last few years killed any interest I would- SHOULD- have had in this game.
      Not fully related to the subject but my Williams Indiana Jones fully meets my expectations with respect to the movie franchise it represents. It's sad when a title is released and fulls short.

    Page 20 of 21 FirstFirst ... 1018192021 LastLast

    Thread Information

    Users Browsing this Thread

    There are currently 1 users browsing this thread. (0 members and 1 guests)

    Tags for this Thread

    Posting Permissions

    • You may not post new threads
    • You may not post replies
    • You may not post attachments
    • You may not edit your posts
    •